Tesla just changed everything

The American start up sounds interesting. A 745kw engine. That’s some decent go for electric. Not elite sports level but I guess that’s only a matter of time.

The big German manufacturers are having a serious dip at full electric too with models coming out over the next few years apparently.

Good times.

It also must be said, the mustang market is kinda not the Tesla market.

I wouldn’t be so sure, I just bought a car that is as far from green as a Mustang (not a Mustang) but my next purchase may very well be something electric. Like others have said it looks like the Model 3 will be a few years off yet and I want to feel & touch it before I buy it and it was car changeover time now and I wanted one last fuel guzzler :slight_smile:

Mustangs are a very green car!

Sorry, not sorry.

And who could forget this, probably the most famous mustang of all time

It also must be said, the mustang market is kinda not the Tesla market.

I wouldn’t be so sure, I just bought a car that is as far from green as a Mustang (not a Mustang) but my next purchase may very well be something electric. Like others have said it looks like the Model 3 will be a few years off yet and I want to feel & touch it before I buy it and it was car changeover time now and I wanted one last fuel guzzler :slight_smile:

Mustangs are a very green car!

Sorry, not sorry.

Hot dang that’s beast!

Why can’t we have both?

'68 mustang converted into an electric car. At 1.79 seconds to 60mph!!!

And it’s green on it!

But it’s down to 28% battery life after those 1.79 seconds…

But it’s down to 28% battery life after those 1.79 seconds…

A new meaning to the term ‘supercharger’…

But it’s down to 28% battery life after those 1.79 seconds…
I watched the doco on the building of that car, apparently it can do 100 miles flat stick off one charge
A CHINESE tech giant has unveiled a new electric car it hopes will rival the Tesla Motors Model S and its successors.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/chinese-tech-giant-has-unveiled-a-new-electric-car-it-hopes-will-rival-the-tesla-motors/news-story/7c61610ef9d2b87393b927152782e412

“Concept car”

Forget about it. Between them and Faraday Future, there’s too many companies promising the world and delivering not even an Atlas. Companies are better to actually aim for a reasonable goal and get there.

But it’s down to 28% battery life after those 1.79 seconds…
I watched the doco on the building of that car, apparently it can do 100 miles flat stick off one charge

now if I could just time the green lights from northcote to Mulgrave via punt road I’ll be there in 8 minutes instead of an hour.

Australian all-electric bus drives into record books – 1,018km on one charge
By Sophie Vorrath on 20 November 2015
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The Australian all-electric bus launched by Brighsun in Melbourne at the end of last month has set a new world record for the greatest distance covered by an electric bus on one charge, at 1,018km.

As we reported here in October, the prototype e-bus was launched at Yuroke, one hour north of Melbourne’s CBD, by Australia-based company Brighsun, as one of four full electric buses ranging from high range capacity route service passenger buses to touring coaches.

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The buses combine a high performance lithium ion battery with proprietary eMotor, battery management and a regenerative braking system.

As part of the Melbourne launch, one bus – which is certified to international standards to drive 1004km on one charge (more than twice any current competitors) — successfully completed a road-trip to Sydney.

Last weekend, this same bus backed up its inter-state performance with a world-record breaking effort, travelling 1,018km on Victoria’s South Gippsland Highway, between Tooradin and Lang Lang.

DSC_5247According to Brighsun, the bus started its journey at 10pm Saturday November 14 and achieved the record distance just before midnight on the following Sunday, in the presence of a Guinness World Record adjudicator.

What it means, said Brighsun communications director, Gladys Liu, is that commercial electric buses can now travel the whole day or interstate without having to find somewhere to recharge.

“We believe it will bring a whole new concept of public transport with no pollution to Australia and to the world.”

Liu said the company would continue to work on its electric vehicle propulsion technology, and on its vehicle range, which extended to commercial passenger and goods vehicles, operating intra-city and inter-regional country Victorian services.

Greens Senator, Janet Rice, welcomed Brighsun’s world record achievement as a “game changer” for low-carbon transport.P1120190

“This shows how electric buses can slash our carbon pollution and air pollution in our cities,” she said in a statement.

“The Greens look forward to seeing innovative companies like Brighsun manufacturing electric buses in Australia, creating jobs and being part of our clean energy future.”

As we reported here, the company also has plans to open manufacturing plants for the e-buses across Australia.

There is still no information available, as yet, on the charging technology the buses will use, or the source of electricity, although comments from the company suggest renewable energy could be a part of the plan.

“New energy is key to Australia’s auto industry revitalisation,” said Brighsun CEO Allen Saylav, “and we believe the eBus is the first step in the right direction for this to happen.

“We chose the heavy commercial passenger vehicle to showcase how high performance could be achieved in larger transportation options,” as well as in passenger cars.

Had a call about the Powerwall the other day, asking if I wanted to commit to buying one after having put in a reservation. I asked if they worked when the AC power failed, because I have been surprised that my solar doesn’t work when the power goes out during the day. They said no the initial Powerwalls wouldn’t work as a back up power supply if the AC power failed, but said that if I waited til around the end of the year/next year, the next roll out would work as a back up power supply. So I asked if they could ring me back then, to which they agreed.

But it’s down to 28% battery life after those 1.79 seconds…

And 200 metres, what is its standing 1/4 time?

would love to see, future urban planning - which would encourage 6-12 electric cars per apartment block for inner apartment living. Reduce the need for garage parking. Make the cars available and charge through body corp.

It doesn’t work like that though.

It’s ‘the tragedy of the commons’ all over again

'The tragedy of the commons is an economic theory of a situation within a shared-resource system where individual users acting independently according to their own self-interest behave contrary to the common good of all users by depleting that resource through their collective action.

I remember owning a mobile phone in 1996 and people calling me a yuppie.

Just got my first power bill since Solar power installed $160, not too bad given bill is usually $600-$700 for this time of year. At this rate would get return on investment easily under 5 years.

Once power walls are cheaper/more common, will be worth getting one.

would love to see, future urban planning - which would encourage 6-12 electric cars per apartment block for inner apartment living. Reduce the need for garage parking. Make the cars available and charge through body corp.

Yeah, but you just know that slob who lives downstairs would leaves his Maccas rubbish and lingering BO smell in there every time.

Electric and automated is going to rule the roads sooner than we might think…

Master Plan, Part Deux

Elon Musk 20 July, 2016
The first master plan that I wrote 10 years ago is now in the final stages of completion. It wasn’t all that complicated and basically consisted of:

Create a low volume car, which would necessarily be expensive
Use that money to develop a medium volume car at a lower price
Use that money to create an affordable, high volume car
And…
Provide solar power. No kidding, this has literally been on our website for 10 years.
The reason we had to start off with step 1 was that it was all I could afford to do with what I made from PayPal. I thought our chances of success were so low that I didn’t want to risk anyone’s funds in the beginning but my own. The list of successful car company startups is short. As of 2016, the number of American car companies that haven’t gone bankrupt is a grand total of two: Ford and Tesla. Starting a car company is idiotic and an electric car company is idiocy squared.

Also, a low volume car means a much smaller, simpler factory, albeit with most things done by hand. Without economies of scale, anything we built would be expensive, whether it was an economy sedan or a sports car. While at least some people would be prepared to pay a high price for a sports car, no one was going to pay $100k for an electric Honda Civic, no matter how cool it looked.

Part of the reason I wrote the first master plan was to defend against the inevitable attacks Tesla would face accusing us of just caring about making cars for rich people, implying that we felt there was a shortage of sports car companies or some other bizarre rationale. Unfortunately, the blog didn’t stop countless attack articles on exactly these grounds, so it pretty much completely failed that objective.

However, the main reason was to explain how our actions fit into a larger picture, so that they would seem less random. The point of all this was, and remains, accelerating the advent of sustainable energy, so that we can imagine far into the future and life is still good. That’s what “sustainable” means. It’s not some silly, hippy thing – it matters for everyone.

By definition, we must at some point achieve a sustainable energy economy or we will run out of fossil fuels to burn and civilization will collapse. Given that we must get off fossil fuels anyway and that virtually all scientists agree that dramatically increasing atmospheric and oceanic carbon levels is insane, the faster we achieve sustainability, the better.

Here is what we plan to do to make that day come sooner:

Integrate Energy Generation and Storage
Create a smoothly integrated and beautiful solar-roof-with-battery product that just works, empowering the individual as their own utility, and then scale that throughout the world. One ordering experience, one installation, one service contact, one phone app.

We can’t do this well if Tesla and SolarCity are different companies, which is why we need to combine and break down the barriers inherent to being separate companies. That they are separate at all, despite similar origins and pursuit of the same overarching goal of sustainable energy, is largely an accident of history. Now that Tesla is ready to scale Powerwall and SolarCity is ready to provide highly differentiated solar, the time has come to bring them together.

Expand to Cover the Major Forms of Terrestrial Transport
Today, Tesla addresses two relatively small segments of premium sedans and SUVs. With the Model 3, a future compact SUV and a new kind of pickup truck, we plan to address most of the consumer market. A lower cost vehicle than the Model 3 is unlikely to be necessary, because of the third part of the plan described below.

What really matters to accelerate a sustainable future is being able to scale up production volume as quickly as possible. That is why Tesla engineering has transitioned to focus heavily on designing the machine that makes the machine – turning the factory itself into a product. A first principles physics analysis of automotive production suggests that somewhere between a 5 to 10 fold improvement is achievable by version 3 on a roughly 2 year iteration cycle. The first Model 3 factory machine should be thought of as version 0.5, with version 1.0 probably in 2018.

In addition to consumer vehicles, there are two other types of electric vehicle needed: heavy-duty trucks and high passenger-density urban transport. Both are in the early stages of development at Tesla and should be ready for unveiling next year. We believe the Tesla Semi will deliver a substantial reduction in the cost of cargo transport, while increasing safety and making it really fun to operate.

With the advent of autonomy, it will probably make sense to shrink the size of buses and transition the role of bus driver to that of fleet manager. Traffic congestion would improve due to increased passenger areal density by eliminating the center aisle and putting seats where there are currently entryways, and matching acceleration and braking to other vehicles, thus avoiding the inertial impedance to smooth traffic flow of traditional heavy buses. It would also take people all the way to their destination. Fixed summon buttons at existing bus stops would serve those who don’t have a phone. Design accommodates wheelchairs, strollers and bikes.

Autonomy
As the technology matures, all Tesla vehicles will have the hardware necessary to be fully self-driving with fail-operational capability, meaning that any given system in the car could break and your car will still drive itself safely. It is important to emphasize that refinement and validation of the software will take much longer than putting in place the cameras, radar, sonar and computing hardware.

Even once the software is highly refined and far better than the average human driver, there will still be a significant time gap, varying widely by jurisdiction, before true self-driving is approved by regulators. We expect that worldwide regulatory approval will require something on the order of 6 billion miles (10 billion km). Current fleet learning is happening at just over 3 million miles (5 million km) per day.

I should add a note here to explain why Tesla is deploying partial autonomy now, rather than waiting until some point in the future. The most important reason is that, when used correctly, it is already significantly safer than a person driving by themselves and it would therefore be morally reprehensible to delay release simply for fear of bad press or some mercantile calculation of legal liability.

According to the recently released 2015 NHTSA report, automotive fatalities increased by 8% to one death every 89 million miles. Autopilot miles will soon exceed twice that number and the system gets better every day. It would no more make sense to disable Tesla’s Autopilot, as some have called for, than it would to disable autopilot in aircraft, after which our system is named.

It is also important to explain why we refer to Autopilot as “beta”. This is not beta software in any normal sense of the word. Every release goes through extensive internal validation before it reaches any customers. It is called beta in order to decrease complacency and indicate that it will continue to improve (Autopilot is always off by default). Once we get to the point where Autopilot is approximately 10 times safer than the US vehicle average, the beta label will be removed.

Sharing
When true self-driving is approved by regulators, it will mean that you will be able to summon your Tesla from pretty much anywhere. Once it picks you up, you will be able to sleep, read or do anything else enroute to your destination.

You will also be able to add your car to the Tesla shared fleet just by tapping a button on the Tesla phone app and have it generate income for you while you’re at work or on vacation, significantly offsetting and at times potentially exceeding the monthly loan or lease cost. This dramatically lowers the true cost of ownership to the point where almost anyone could own a Tesla. Since most cars are only in use by their owner for 5% to 10% of the day, the fundamental economic utility of a true self-driving car is likely to be several times that of a car which is not.

In cities where demand exceeds the supply of customer-owned cars, Tesla will operate its own fleet, ensuring you can always hail a ride from us no matter where you are.

So, in short, Master Plan, Part Deux is:

Create stunning solar roofs with seamlessly integrated battery storage
Expand the electric vehicle product line to address all major segments
Develop a self-driving capability that is 10X safer than manual via massive fleet learning
Enable your car to make money for you when you aren’t using it