I know there is a general “the umpires are ■■■■■■ thread” but I’m being more specific here although I fear I may be able to add the deliberate point rule imminently.
It’s my view that the deliberate OOB rule is an absolute abomination. My reasoning:
It’s way too difficult for our umpires with limited judgement and common sense to successfully adjudicate.
AFL is a difficult game to umpire and the deliberate OOB rule is way too subjective.
The AFL ground is oval/round and hence logically a ball kicked near the boundary line will naturally travel to the boundary line more often than not.
As the rule is so subjective, it’s more susceptible to influence from the crowd or favoured players/teams.
It’s plain ugly. Nearly every time the ball goes OOB the players, spectators or both are appealing for a deliberate OOB.
It does not actually improve the game.
Players that actually could stop the ball from going OOB are at times rewarded with a free kick simply because they were not last to touch it and deliberately stand back and watch it go OOB. How is that speeding up the game or trying to keep the ball in play?
Here is just 2 examples from last week although I can think of more examples from the Bombers V Adelaide game without looking further.
With the pace of the game, more often than not there’s too much for the umpires to much to factor in. I think they’re better off focussing on other things.
I also think there was an art form to sinking the boot into a wobbly flat punt or snap, bouncing a few times to gain territory from the backline to back flank/wing. It was something Dustin Fletcher amazing at. He wasn’t a pioneer but I don’t think there are many who were as good as he was at gaining a good 40m and clearing danger.
Agreed. If you have the opportunity to pick up the ball as it heads towards the boundary without pressure, and choose to let it roll over or escort it, then the deliberate should be on you, not the person who kicked it. After all you let it go out deliberately.
It seems to be that many people see a correlation between deliberate out of bounds, and the rushed behind.
Umpires need to be tough on Rushed behind because the team continue to gain possession of the ball.
The Deliberate out of bounds is just bullsh*t now. It’s too harsh. Most of the time it’s when A player is in two minds between kicking it to a team mate and hitting the boundary line and they end up going for both options. There isn’t really much advantage other than killing the play and setting up the zone again.
It’s nothing more than the AFL wanting to speed the game up for neutral and new fans.
Rule open to each individual umpire,who are asked to use there own logic.
Shape of ball,weather conditions,pressure applied,angles,skill level of player involved,crowd noise,go out the window.
Another common sense rule…over umpired.
The powers that be should fix…but than again they don’t make mistakes…as were all aware.
Some games they don’t use it at all.
Some games they use it early and don’t use it again.
Some games they don’t use it and then ping one in the last quarter.
Some games they’re as strict on the interpretation as they were in the first week.
It’s a joke.
There’s no way anyone can possibly get a read on it.
This probably belongs in the non-Essendon stuff category, but I’m sure it will get moved at some point.
I think there needs to be some sort of penalty for trying to stop play, otherwise you can guarantee we’d be watching rugby style kicking into touch. Win clearance, kick into touch, set play stoppage, kick into touch, set play stoppage, all the way up the field. There would be HBF whose outstanding attribute was the ability to kick the ball 60m out of bounds. I guess some people might be into that, it’d drive me up the wall.
Personally, I’d use the kick-in from a behind rules. If the ball goes out of bounds from a kick without being touched, it’s a free kick. No appealing for frees from players and crowd and the umpire making a decision, it’s just a free kick.
It would mean more players letting a ball run out of bounds, which is bad, but less subjective and inconsistent calls, which I think is a bigger advantage. It might also result it more desperation from a player of the same team to try and keep the ball in, whereas now they generally figure if they’re within a few metres it won’t be called deliberate so they can let it roll out.
I’d much prefer slightly more frees and no subjectivity than the current situation, or the previous situation of “make it look enough like an accident and we’ll all pretend it was an accident, except very occasionally we won’t and you’ll never know what you did wrong.” We already have enough of that ■■■■ with “came out in the tackle”
This is a terrible rule. Just admit you cocked up, AFL, and abolish it now. Take the deliberate rushed behind rule aswell. And the 3rd man up. ■■■■ them right off. And the sliding in a tackle. And hands in the back rule. In the last 15 years, they have successfully sucked my enjoyment out of Aussie Rules.