The KPF thread

I thought one thread to rule them all as far as KP forward discussion goes and could start with the following article even though it refers to Jack Watts as a spearhead.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-21/analysis-whos-left-in-the-key-forward-trade-market

THURSDAY was a bad day for teams in the market for an experienced spearhead with this year’s two most enticing out-of-contract targets, Josh Jenkins and Jack Watts, re-signing with their clubs on long-term deals.

As keen as the rival interest in Jenkins and Watts was – and the Brisbane Lions reportedly offered Jenkins up to $800,000 a season – it had seemed for some time a matter of when, not if, they recommitted to Adelaide and Melbourne respectively.

So rival suitors would not have been surprised by Thursday’s announcements Jenkins had recommitted to the Crows for five years and Watts to the Demons for three.

The question is who do these teams turn their attention to now?

With Watts officially out of this year’s free agency pool, Richmond forward/ruckman Tyrone Vickery is the only genuine spearhead left – one-club veterans Matthew Pavlich and Drew Petrie aside.

Vickery’s contract discussions with Richmond have moved slowly this year, but Tigers coach Damien Hardwick said on Thursday the tall was an “integral part” of the club’s on-field future.

That could change, of course, if a rival club puts a free agency offer to Vickery lucrative enough to earn Richmond a tempting compensation pick.

This year’s out-of-contract market has not only been diminished by Jenkins’ re-signing, with swingman Sam Day recommitting to Gold Coast last week.

Which leaves Mason Wood, Ben Griffiths, Shane Kersten and Levi Casboult as 2016’s most appealing targets.

Wood has attracted keen interest from several clubs believed to include Essendon, Fremantle and the Brisbane Lions, however his management company, Strategic, said last week the 22-year-old’s preference is to stay at Arden Street.

Similarly, Casboult is understood to be keen to re-sign with the Blues, and his manager, Anthony McConville, said recently he expected to ramp up talks with Carlton soon.

However, Griffiths has yet to start meaningful talks with Richmond and Kersten’s discussions with Geelong are moving slowly.

West Australian Kersten, who has been linked with Fremantle, is one of three key forwards out of contract at Geelong, along with Mitch Clark and Nathan Vardy.

Vardy, 25, has been plagued by injury in his seven seasons with the Cats but has hardly missed a game this year.

However, all bar one of those games have been in the VFL, so lack of opportunity could convince him to pursue interest from clubs believed to include the Western Bulldogs and Essendon.

Another out-of-contract forward who could chase greater senior opportunities elsewhere is Majak Daw, who sits behind Petrie, Jarrad Waite, Ben Brown and Wood in North Melbourne’s tall forward pecking order.

Giants youngster James Stewart has not played a senior game since round one – although he was named in Greater Western Sydney’s squad of 25 for Sunday’s clash against Port Adelaide – and is also likely to attract rival bids at trade time.

Port Adelaide spearhead John Butcher is set to play his first senior game this year this week but, at 25, his career appears at the crossroads.

And out-of-contract veterans Waite, Clark, Port’s Jay Schulz and Melbourne’s Chris Dawes seem likely to play on with their respective clubs or retire.

However, as we’ve seen in past trade periods, teams won’t limit their search to out-of-contract forwards.

Giant Adam Tomlinson has been widely linked to a return home to Victoria, with Carlton seen as his most likely destination, while Collingwood veteran Travis Cloke and North’s Aaron Black could also see brighter futures at new clubs.

And could someone make a play for forgotten Sydney Swan Sam Reid?

Like Cloke and Black, Reid is set to become a free agent at the end of 2017.

For mine, I really like Patton but would be over the moon if we could lure Wood here. Been treated a little as a second class citizen at Norf and ready to go.

I think if North re-sign Petrie and Waite, it would be pretty achievable just on the grounds of game time. Aside from the fact he’s a good player, he’s also a different type of player to Daniher, and one that could be complementary. More likely we end up with someone like Griffiths.

Vickery - meh
Vardy - Injury prone
Butcher - lol… they would need to pay us to take him.

Stewart- relatively raw…

Tempted to get butcher to see aces other boy in the AFL.

I haven’t watched Mason Wood. Is he capable of holding down 1 of 2 main key forward positions? Or is he more of a 3rd tall?

I haven't watched Mason Wood. Is he capable of holding down 1 of 2 main key forward positions? Or is he more of a 3rd tall?

More your third tall

Would like Stewart as a cheapo project

Trade for hurley and play him forward

Vickery/Griffiths are holding out for more at the club and Richmond were hoping to maybe snare someone better like Jenkins but not going happen they will probably end up signing up 1 or both of these spuds

Pavlich all but set to retire

Petrie will probably have 1 more year or retire

Wood third tall forward currently have brown/francis in that boat do we need a third at 1.92 m a little understand for a number one or two forward

Kersten either resign or head home west linked with Fremantle same as McCarthy/Black

Casboult will resign only decent keyforward at the blues

Mitch Clark mentally ■■■■■■ sadly will either resign or retire

Vardy injury prone gumbleton mk2

Daw very interesting player off field issues but an athletic but we already have Gach as the athletic prospect

Stewart 12 games 27 goals in the NEAFL 4 highest goal scorer getting torched by Ewing

Heard Butcher back to local football and to play with his brother

Waite/Dawes/Schuclz either retire or stay on for 1 more year

Tomlinson third tall in the shape of brown/francis would prefer him to wood

Cloke maybe Hawthorn or Sydney key forward for 2 years win a flag

Reid injury prone

Hogan or ■■■■ off

Vickery/Griffiths are holding out for more at the club and Richmond were hoping to maybe snare someone better like Jenkins but not going happen they will probably end up signing up 1 or both of these spuds

Pavlich all but set to retire

Petrie will probably have 1 more year or retire

Wood third tall forward currently have brown/francis in that boat do we need a third at 1.92 m a little understand for a number one or two forward

Kersten either resign or head home west linked with Fremantle same as McCarthy/Black

Casboult will resign only decent keyforward at the blues

Mitch Clark mentally ■■■■■■ sadly will either resign or retire

Vardy injury prone gumbleton mk2

Daw very interesting player off field issues but an athletic but we already have Gach as the athletic prospect

Stewart 12 games 27 goals in the NEAFL 4 highest goal scorer getting torched by Ewing

Heard Butcher back to local football and to play with his brother

Waite/Dawes/Schuclz either retire or stay on for 1 more year

Tomlinson third tall in the shape of brown/francis would prefer him to wood

Cloke maybe Hawthorn or Sydney key forward for 2 years win a flag

Reid injury prone

Sam Reid has had injuries this year but hasn’t been that bad previously. The biggest question is whether he can actually play. If the price was right you’d look at it, and perhaps he’d be more useful in defence

Vickery/Griffiths are holding out for more at the club and Richmond were hoping to maybe snare someone better like Jenkins but not going happen they will probably end up signing up 1 or both of these spuds

Pavlich all but set to retire

Petrie will probably have 1 more year or retire

Wood third tall forward currently have brown/francis in that boat do we need a third at 1.92 m a little understand for a number one or two forward

Kersten either resign or head home west linked with Fremantle same as McCarthy/Black

Casboult will resign only decent keyforward at the blues

Mitch Clark mentally ■■■■■■ sadly will either resign or retire

Vardy injury prone gumbleton mk2

Daw very interesting player off field issues but an athletic but we already have Gach as the athletic prospect

Stewart 12 games 27 goals in the NEAFL 4 highest goal scorer getting torched by Ewing

Heard Butcher back to local football and to play with his brother

Waite/Dawes/Schuclz either retire or stay on for 1 more year

Tomlinson third tall in the shape of brown/francis would prefer him to wood

Cloke maybe Hawthorn or Sydney key forward for 2 years win a flag

Reid injury prone

Sam Reid has had injuries this year but hasn’t been that bad previously. The biggest question is whether he can actually play. If the price was right you’d look at it, and perhaps he’d be more useful in defence

Can’t kick straight if that helps

SAM REID SAM REID SAM REID

Vickery/Griffiths are holding out for more at the club and Richmond were hoping to maybe snare someone better like Jenkins but not going happen they will probably end up signing up 1 or both of these spuds

Pavlich all but set to retire

Petrie will probably have 1 more year or retire

Wood third tall forward currently have brown/francis in that boat do we need a third at 1.92 m a little understand for a number one or two forward

Kersten either resign or head home west linked with Fremantle same as McCarthy/Black

Casboult will resign only decent keyforward at the blues

Mitch Clark mentally ■■■■■■ sadly will either resign or retire

Vardy injury prone gumbleton mk2

Daw very interesting player off field issues but an athletic but we already have Gach as the athletic prospect

Stewart 12 games 27 goals in the NEAFL 4 highest goal scorer getting torched by Ewing

Heard Butcher back to local football and to play with his brother

Waite/Dawes/Schuclz either retire or stay on for 1 more year

Tomlinson third tall in the shape of brown/francis would prefer him to wood

Cloke maybe Hawthorn or Sydney key forward for 2 years win a flag

Reid injury prone

Daw much much more advanced than Gach. I think Daw would be a great pick up.

Would prefer take a risk on Patton if cheap

Vickery/Griffiths are holding out for more at the club and Richmond were hoping to maybe snare someone better like Jenkins but not going happen they will probably end up signing up 1 or both of these spuds

Pavlich all but set to retire

Petrie will probably have 1 more year or retire

Wood third tall forward currently have brown/francis in that boat do we need a third at 1.92 m a little understand for a number one or two forward

Kersten either resign or head home west linked with Fremantle same as McCarthy/Black

Casboult will resign only decent keyforward at the blues

Mitch Clark mentally ■■■■■■ sadly will either resign or retire

Vardy injury prone gumbleton mk2

Daw very interesting player off field issues but an athletic but we already have Gach as the athletic prospect

Stewart 12 games 27 goals in the NEAFL 4 highest goal scorer getting torched by Ewing

Heard Butcher back to local football and to play with his brother

Waite/Dawes/Schuclz either retire or stay on for 1 more year

Tomlinson third tall in the shape of brown/francis would prefer him to wood

Cloke maybe Hawthorn or Sydney key forward for 2 years win a flag

Reid injury prone

Sam Reid has had injuries this year but hasn’t been that bad previously. The biggest question is whether he can actually play. If the price was right you’d look at it, and perhaps he’d be more useful in defence

Can’t kick straight if that helps

Sounds perfect. Then we’ll have to get a full time goal kicking coach

Vickery/Griffiths are holding out for more at the club and Richmond were hoping to maybe snare someone better like Jenkins but not going happen they will probably end up signing up 1 or both of these spuds

Pavlich all but set to retire

Petrie will probably have 1 more year or retire

Wood third tall forward currently have brown/francis in that boat do we need a third at 1.92 m a little understand for a number one or two forward

Kersten either resign or head home west linked with Fremantle same as McCarthy/Black

Casboult will resign only decent keyforward at the blues

Mitch Clark mentally ■■■■■■ sadly will either resign or retire

Vardy injury prone gumbleton mk2

Daw very interesting player off field issues but an athletic but we already have Gach as the athletic prospect

Stewart 12 games 27 goals in the NEAFL 4 highest goal scorer getting torched by Ewing

Heard Butcher back to local football and to play with his brother

Waite/Dawes/Schuclz either retire or stay on for 1 more year

Tomlinson third tall in the shape of brown/francis would prefer him to wood

Cloke maybe Hawthorn or Sydney key forward for 2 years win a flag

Reid injury prone

Daw much much more advanced than Gach. I think Daw would be a great pick up.

Would prefer take a risk on Patton if cheap

Daw looks like Tazan, plays like Jane.

DO NOT WANT

Mason Wood is my preference with his contested marking to complement JD and Hooker although I can’t see him leaving NM. And for the right deal I would be happy with Tomlinson and Daw. As for the others - pass.

Josh Schache would be nice.

Josh Schache would be great except for they whole thing where he only wanted to play at Brisbane to honour his father

Lobb. With a side of Wood.

The other option if all the quality is off the table and we want someone cheap with upside, would be Lamb for WCE. Reputedly interested in coming back to Vic after two years, shown good signs in the WAF, although has detractors as well. Might only cost a 3rd round pick. Possibly more in the Wood “upgrade on Brown” 3rd tall category, but if Hooker/Belly are options for the stay at home element that would still suit.