Track and field

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I never said he was celebrated by athletics authorities at all, it was the athletes at all levels who adored the bloke. I recall back then that the Victorian Amateur Athletics Association was the most conservative and inbred organisation in the country.

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Well the athletics people did not get Norman invited to the 2000 Olympic Games or any other significant events, so the general population would not learn about his athletic feats and his humanity. Do some research and you will find that Norman’s story has greater public recognition in America than in Australia. It is telling that Smith and Carlos attended Norman’s funeral.

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I remember early newspaper articles about a young kid from the outback who was a promising tennis junior. With her talent realised, she was coached well from her early teens and reached close to her full potential without too much hype in early years.
I just hope this 16 year old sprint sensation does nto become a victim of the internet fame magnifier before he is even an adult. I would love to see him reach his full potential also.

Far out, I’ve just been told to “do some research”!! (I am comfortable that I understand the John Carlos and Tommie Smith story, and the small part that Norman played, and the respect Smith and Carlos had for him plenty well enough)

If you don’t understand the difference between “athletics people” and “athletics officialdom and adminstration” then I’m not sure what to say. There’s a significant difference between those who might congregate on the back straight at the old Olympic Park to watch the Zatopek, and those who might have been in a position to be involved with formal Olympic ceremonies.

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Hopefully everyone let’s him develop. And that he has the right people around him to shield him from those who will want to get their hooks into him to feather their own nests. I’m sure there will be no shortage of those in the short term.

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Talk of Gout running at Stawell.

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I’m sure Stawell would like it. I’d be keeping him far far away if it was my choice.

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Again you are misrepresenting the facts of the Peter Norman story. The “general population” knew all about his Silver Medal in 1968 and all the Australian success, as there was not that much of it. the Medal presentation was front page on all newspapers of the time.

Don’t mix up the snobs on the AOC and slugs at VAAA, with the “general population”.

Mexico City Australian Medals

Gold

  • Ralph_Doubell – Athletics, Men’s 800m
  • Maureen Caird – Athletics, Women’s 80m Hurdles
  • Lyn McClements – Swimming, Women’s 100m Butterfly
  • Michael Wenden – Swimming, Men’s 100m Freestyle
  • Michael Wenden – Swimming, Men’s 200m Freestyle

Silver

  • Peter Norman – Athletics, Men’s 200m,
  • Raelene Boyle – Athletics, Women’s 200m
  • Pamela Kilborn – Athletics, Women’s 80m Hurdles
  • Field Hockey, Men’s Team Competition
  • Rowing, Men’s Eight with Coxswain (8+)
  • Lynne Watson, Judy Playfair, Lyn McClements, and Janet Steinbeck – Swimming, Women’s 4 × 100 m Medley Relay
  • Greg Rogers, Graham White, Bob Windle, and Michael Wenden – Swimming, Men’s 4 × 200 m Freestyle Relay

Bronze

  • Jennifer Lamy – Athletics, Women’s 200m
  • Brian Cobcroft, Wayne Roycroft and Bill Roycroft – Equestrian, Eventing Team Competition
  • Greg Brough – Swimming, Men’s 1500m Freestyle
  • Karen Lynne Moras – Swimming, Women’s 400m Freestyle
  • Greg Rogers, Robert Cusack, Bob Windle, and Michael Wenden – Swimming, Men’s 4 × 100 m Freestyle Relay
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A chance to win cash.
And bring in lots of $$ to the bookies.

lots of 16 year olds compete. His problem would be he would be the back marker, which would be odd for a kid.

Wonder who his manager is. we don’t really have a huge crew of sprint stars.
Depends on schooling, but would expect him to qualify to some major events next year. Plus he still has the under 18 & U20 champs etc as well.

looks like he will have a big March/April

Stallwell gift April 19…so not a lot of chance he races 4 weeks in a row, would give stallwell the miss and do Maurie Plant meet instead against best in Aus and maybe even international - Fred Kerley was there last year I think…

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Re the 16yos at Stawell, there was something that came up over the last couple of years about it not being legal to bet on races with U18s. I don’t know the full story of that one.

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Well a white athlete was never gonna do it. Let’s be realistic here.

Apparently, Gout Gout is going to the World’s in 2025. He will run the 100m in the Juniors and run the 200 in the Open. I wonder if this will happen as he is studying Year 12 in 2025.

If you want to know more about the analysis of GG go to Total Running Productions on You Tube. they are excellent at analysing the sport of athletics.

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I stand by my comments that Norman had more recognition in America than in Australia.

  • he was celebrated in America for his contributions to the Civil rights movement
  • he was invited to the 2000 Olympics by the USA Track and Field Federation
  • On the day of his funeral USA Track and Field Federation labelled the day, Peter Norman day
  • In 2012 CNN aired a documentary. The Third Man; The Forgotten Black Power Hero
  • he features in a mounument at the National Museum of African American History and culture

It took years after Norman’s death for the Australian Parliament to issue a state apolog, eventually the AOC gave him an Order of Merit and Melbourne erected a statue in 2019. Finally, Norman’s cousin produced a documentary in 2008 titled Salute.

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TRP goes a bit too much all out on the hyperbole though. It’s OK but a bit too much trying to game the algorithm. (Not just about Gout Gout, about anyone. For reference you could check the Matthew Boling videos from a couple of years ago. All the same sorts of hyperbole.)

But still anything that gets Aths attention is a good thing I guess.

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No one was arguing any of this. The whole argument was the difference between Australian athletics people, and petty Australian officialdom.

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I watched analysis of Gouts 100m, they identified a few areas in his start that were off.

In the 200m He ran approx 9.36 seconds in the second 100m. putting him among some of the all time greats in the closing 100m of 200m event.

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This is from the TRP video right?

yep

Kids a freak. I didn’t think Bolts records would be in trouble for some time, but they may be sooner than expected.

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