RIP Joe
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I’m pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn’t work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.
How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I'm pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn't work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Looking back on that I can’t think why everyone was so optimistic. The internal upheaval was massive. Yeah, it only got worse. Now, it feels like we have more young talent and more ability on every line. The biggest difference though is a stable coaching team who seem to be going about things very steadily without any fuss or preconception.
Man, I like Worsfold’s style. Just a smile and a gaze past that nose that tells you all you need to know.
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I'm pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn't work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Good question
I see as the main differences:
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We have a stronger, more balanced list. This is apparent when you try to pick a best 22, it’s very difficult this year.
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We have bedded down the new training facility.
3).The return of ten experienced players is unprecedented.
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Bomber was an excellent coach but had a left field personality that led to unease with some players and officials.
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Hird was aloof and self centred and about the same standard as Buckley and Voss. He trained the players hard for the start of the season but they invariably fell away in the second half of the season.
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So far Woosha seems very calm and pragmatic and as far as I can tell is highly respected by the players and the coaching team. In addition he has won over the supporters on the basis of his ability for coaching not for his ability as a player.
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My expectation is that the players, with the exception of the ruck stocks, are fit and jumping out of their skins for the start of the season but will improve in the second half of the season as was the pattern last year.
In sum we are better prepared than at the start of the 2014 pre season in my opinion.
Aside from the unknown factor of the returning 10 it pretty much sums up that we are better prepared than we have been for a long, long time. Reading that back seems strange. Progress. All things going well 2018 might be the year we have some legit swag.
You can’t say things like that about Hird, jackie.
The devotees will have you up under 18C, or for lèse-majesté or something.
You can't say things like that about Hird, jackie.The devotees will have you up under 18C, or for lèse-majesté or something.
astonishing, he even got a few likes.
You can't say things like that about Hird, jackie.The devotees will have you up under 18C, or for lèse-majesté or something.
Sounds like Jackie has been ‘sucked in by the media.’
Way to go JM, or should I say, SARAH
Hopefully Draper in his role as spectator is picking up some useful pointers.
Any idea why Draper is not actually training Jackie?
IIRC previous reports have also mentioned him doing no more than a bit of running. Is he injured? Or is he just on a special program for some reason?
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I'm pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn't work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Good question
I see as the main differences:
We have a stronger, more balanced list. This is apparent when you try to pick a best 22, it’s very difficult this year.
We have bedded down the new training facility.
3).The return of ten experienced players is unprecedented.
Bomber was an excellent coach but had a left field personality that led to unease with some players and officials.
Hird was aloof and self centred and about the same standard as Buckley and Voss. He trained the players hard for the start of the season but they invariably fell away in the second half of the season.
So far Woosha seems very calm and pragmatic and as far as I can tell is highly respected by the players and the coaching team. In addition he has won over the supporters on the basis of his ability for coaching not for his ability as a player.
My expectation is that the players, with the exception of the ruck stocks, are fit and jumping out of their skins for the start of the season but will improve in the second half of the season as was the pattern last year.
In sum we are better prepared than at the start of the 2014 pre season in my opinion.
Jackie, you’ve given a lot of good, objective reasons for optimism there, but may I ask you for an answer to Aboods’ question based on your personal impression of the mood of the players, the intensity of the training sessions, the level of skill shown and things like that? The “vibe”. How does it compare with 2014 (and other recent years, for that matter)?
Your training reports often mention those things in a very positive way, but things are usually pretty upbeat during the pre-season. Does this year feel different or really much the same?
You can't say things like that about Hird, jackie.The devotees will have you up under 18C, or for lèse-majesté or something.
Sounds like Jackie has been ‘sucked in by the media.’
I guess in a sense I am the media but with no evil master to serve.
All I’ve done is rank three coaches as I see their performances as coach… Feel free to disagree with my obsrvations.
It might be instructive to the debate to see people rank them 1, 2, 3 and then relate this factor to how good this pre season is comparative to 2014 the quality of coaching being an obvious factor to consider.
Hopefully Draper in his role as spectator is picking up some useful pointers.Any idea why Draper is not actually training Jackie?
IIRC previous reports have also mentioned him doing no more than a bit of running. Is he injured? Or is he just on a special program for some reason?
Draper was was a spectator/student in this particular drill and isn’t injured.
Given his special background he would have a specialised programme but I don’t know what it is.
You can't say things like that about Hird, jackie.The devotees will have you up under 18C, or for lèse-majesté or something.
Sounds like Jackie has been ‘sucked in by the media.’
I guess in a sense I am the media but with no evil master to serve.
All I’ve done is rank three coaches as I see their performances as coach… Feel free to disagree with my obsrvations.
It might be instructive to the debate to see people rank them 1, 2, 3 and then relate this factor to how good this pre season is comparative to 2014 the quality of coaching being an obvious factor to consider.
I don’t disagree with your observations. I’d rank them exactly the same as you did.
I was being somewhat facetious.
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I'm pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn't work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Good question
I see as the main differences:
We have a stronger, more balanced list. This is apparent when you try to pick a best 22, it’s very difficult this year.
We have bedded down the new training facility.
3).The return of ten experienced players is unprecedented.
Bomber was an excellent coach but had a left field personality that led to unease with some players and officials.
Hird was aloof and self centred and about the same standard as Buckley and Voss. He trained the players hard for the start of the season but they invariably fell away in the second half of the season.
So far Woosha seems very calm and pragmatic and as far as I can tell is highly respected by the players and the coaching team. In addition he has won over the supporters on the basis of his ability for coaching not for his ability as a player.
My expectation is that the players, with the exception of the ruck stocks, are fit and jumping out of their skins for the start of the season but will improve in the second half of the season as was the pattern last year.
In sum we are better prepared than at the start of the 2014 pre season in my opinion.
Jackie, you’ve given a lot of good, objective reasons for optimism there, but may I ask you for an answer to Aboods’ question based on your personal impression of the mood of the players, the intensity of the training sessions, the level of skill shown and things like that? The “vibe”. How does it compare with 2014 (and other recent years, for that matter)?
Your training reports often mention those things in a very positive way, but things are usually pretty upbeat during the pre-season. Does this year feel different or really much the same?
Beware of crediting me with more knowledge than I actually possess.
The vibe seems better because the saga is behind us and we have the return of a tight knit group of experienced players with something to prove on the field not in the courts.
The vibe feels better because of the fast tracked development last year of some middle level and bottom tier players.
The vibe seems better (without offending anyone by my assessment) because we appear to have a very good coach.
The vibe feels better to me because the optimism has a logical underpinning.
None of this means I’m right and it tells us nothing about the level of development at other clubs which is a hugely relevant factor.
Lastly with regard to skills they have improved because we have brought in about fifteen new players but while the club works on individual skills such as Joe’s goal kicking it is a lengthy, on going process, not magically better at the start of a new season.
I am starting to panic with all of this positive vibe.
Unprecedented.
Thanks for all the updates and opinions jackie.
Very much appreciated!!!
Joe to join the “didnt have a full preseason” club.
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I'm pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn't work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Good question
I see as the main differences:
5) Hird was aloof and self centred and about the same standard as Buckley and Voss. He trained the players hard for the start of the season but they invariably fell away in the second half of the season.
In sum we are better prepared than at the start of the 2014 pre season in my opinion.
Hang on, but this place had him as the greatest coach ever had the media and asada not brought him down.
Jackie, back in 2014 with bomber in charge I'm pretty sure the pre-season expectations from the coaching panel were for top 4. Obviously it didn't work out that way but it was our best year in recent times. I know you and Karma were bigger fans of Bomber than Hird.How does the training this pre-season compare to the 2014 pre-season.
Good question
I see as the main differences:
5) Hird was aloof and self centred and about the same standard as Buckley and Voss. He trained the players hard for the start of the season but they invariably fell away in the second half of the season.
In sum we are better prepared than at the start of the 2014 pre season in my opinion.
Hang on, but this place had him as the greatest coach ever had the media and asada not brought him down.
No it didn’t. Many criticised Hird and his coaching team for a few substantial and different reasons.
edit, having said that, there are criticisms of worsfold to the same tune, so makes you wonder