UK Labour elect a renowned lefty as leader

Will Australia go down the same road eventually? I think there is some appetite for it.

What Hillary Clinton Can Learn From Jeremy Corbyn

The US presidential candidate and the new UK Labour leader are from different worlds. He still has lessons for her.
posted on Sept. 14, 2015, at 12:17 a.m.
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She is a US presidential candidate, a former secretary of state and first lady, and a woman who mixes – and emails – the global elite. He is a veteran left-wing Labour MP who likes to cycle to work, has never held a frontbench position, and has spent the last 30 years backing unfashionable causes while being barely known within his own party. In any normal circumstances Hillary Clinton should have no reason to worry about Jeremy Corbyn.

But on Saturday Corbyn, who started the race as a 100/1 outsider, a charity case who made it onto the ballot through the kindness of fellow MPs, was elected leader of the British Labour party and Her Majesty’s Official Opposition with almost 60% of the vote. And the movement that took him there should keep Hillary Clinton – currently facing her own left-wing challenger in the form of Bernie Sanders – awake at night.

Establishment candidates elsewhere in the world, such as Clinton, have cause to be worried by the forces that swept Corbyn to victory: a dedicated left-wing activist base who care more about purity of values than winning general elections, a devotion to an individual leader, and exasperation with soundbite politics. It seems that the normal rules of political engagement are on the shift, at least within activist groups who can control candidate selections.

Because the strangest thing about Jeremy Corbyn’s elevation to the top job is that just a few months ago no one, including Jeremy Corbyn, thought it was remotely possible. This is a 67-year-old man who has been in parliament since 1983 but has never held any major role, rebelling against his own party so often that Labour whips stopped even bothering to talk to him. Instead he pursued a lonely furrow campaigning on unfashionable human rights causes and presenting a show on the Kremlin-backed Russia Today.

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Instead he won by a landslide. There’s a big caveat when comparing the circumstances to US politics, since British party leaders are decided by a few hundred thousand paid-up party activists who tend to hold strong political beliefs rather than through a primary system. But here’s what Clinton’s team should learn from the success of the Corbyn campaign:

  1. Corbyn wasn’t taken seriously until it was too late.

He was seen as such a weak outsider – the archetypal token candidate destined to finish last – that some Labour opponents even lent him nominations to get him on the ballot in a friendly gesture. Some of these people have since admitted they were “morons” for failing to realise how this patronising gesture would affect the party. The Labour establishment was completely shocked and didn’t know how to react when they realised that the party’s supporters actually liked Corbyn.

It’s easy to dismiss Sanders’ poll lead in Iowa as a blip – but that’s exactly what pundits and Labour insiders did with Corbyn in the UK. The big mistake Corbyn’s opponents made was to ignore him until late in the race, rather than confront his policies and issues about his electability early on.

  1. Corbyn engaged with young party activists on an enormous scale.

This led to a mass surge of new supporters and activists into the party. It’s telling that a generation of young left-wingers who came of age during the era of anti-austerity and Occupy protests found an outlet in the form of a white-haired, old-school socialist. Warnings from the party establishment that his policies were unworkable and a throwback to Labour’s wilderness years in the 1980s were dismissed as ancient history – for a start, many of the young Corbyn supporters weren’t even born in that decade.

The lesson of the Corbyn campaign is that you ignore the mass mobilisation of a party’s young party activists behind a candidate at your peril. “Who says young people aren’t interested in politics? Politics wasn’t interested in young people,” a delighted 66-year-old Corbyn told supporters at his victory rally, where some Corbyn activists could be overheard talking about flying out to the US to help out Sanders.

Jeremy Corbyn takes to the stage after he was announced as the Labour Party’s new leader. Stefan Rousseau / PA Wire/PA Images

  1. Corbyn’s ad hoc campaign massively outperformed his opponents’ top-down media bombardment.

The establishment candidates fought more traditional campaigns that relied heavily on set-piece speeches and carefully controlled announcements. Corbyn took to the streets and let his supporters do the work on his campaign’s behalf. Volunteers flooded into phone banks and venues were booked and paid for by local groups, with the left-wing MP forced to address crowds on the street who had been turned away.

  1. Voters raised on social media reject soundbite culture.

One poll found 57% of Corbyn supporters use social media as their main source of news, far above the national average. Corbyn’s team have increasingly rejected traditional outlets, refusing to speak to The Sun – the UK’s biggest-selling newspaper.

Traditional political attacks don’t work among this support base: Attempts by opponents to portray the MP as an extremist with a tendency to share platforms with unpalatable speakers fell flat – or even backfired spectacularly in the case of Tony Blair’s repeated interventions. Even a newspaper headline that accused Corbyn, somewhat out of context, as saying he thought Osama Bin Laden’s death was a “tragedy” didn’t stick. Instead, it just hardened his supporters’ resolve to face down what they perceive to be the unfair attacks of a worried elite. What actually went viral were lengthy Corbyn speeches or large paragraphs of texts setting out his political worldview.

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  1. Labour activists’ desire for authenticity allowed Corbyn to claim to represent the true soul of the movement.

This is biggest danger for Clinton’s team. Political activists find it irresistible to be able to say that you represent the real deal, and it’s easier to post a Facebook status saying you believe in a politician who represents the full fat version of an ideology rather than a watered-down, compromised equivalent designed to appeal to the centre ground. It seems that the nature of left-wing politics – the former Labour prime minister who led the party to three general election victories – was a major motivating factor for getting the Corbynites to turn out.

Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn appears onstage in Westminster at a demonstration in support of refugees coming to the UK. Stefan Rousseau / PA Wire/PA Images

Both Corbyn and Sanders can point to a voting record that has barely changed over three decades in government, unsullied by the legacy of messy compromise and contradictory quotes that comes with governing. Corbyn has always been anti-war, anti-university fees, and a lifelong environmentalist: He even once signed a parliamentary motion declaring humans are “the most obscene, perverted, cruel, uncivilised and lethal species ever to inhabit the planet”. His backers aren’t going to be swung by claims his policies will lead Labour to electoral doom – instead they feel they’ve finally found a decent man in politics who actually believes in something.

Sanders has sent his congratulations to Corbyn on his victory, while the Labour leader, for his part, recently told BBC’s Newsnight programme that he’s been “exchanging leaflets and badges” with the US senator for Vermont.

There are still massive differences – especially with regards to money – between the US and UK political system, while the US tradition of open primaries gives less power to the hardcore party activists when it comes to selecting candidates. But if Sanders has any sense he’d be sending his campaign team on the next flight to London to find out what just happened. It’s quite a year for white-haired old socialists.

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This guy is streets ahead of ‘liberal lite’ Shorten.
We could do way worse than someone like this.

Labor FFS
settle down nicky. ``

“Labour” is correct in this context. We just spell it wrong in this country because it was felt at the time there were closer ties to the USA equivalents than the UK ones (which is a pretty poor reason to misspell it, IMO).

Good on him.

Popularly elected by the masses and not the elite. Game on.

And with Bernie Sanders catching up to Hillary in the polls…

Although I’d prefer Elizabeth Warren stood.

Think this will end up in tears. There’s an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.

"Labour" is correct in this context. We just spell it wrong in this country because it was felt at the time there were closer ties to the USA equivalents than the UK ones (which is a pretty poor reason to misspell it, IMO).

I know. I was just baiting…

Think this will end up in tears. There's an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.
What are the extreme values people are worried about?

He’s copping a lot of stick - some of it fairly defamatory - because he’s not an establishment, big business guy (like Blair or the Tories et al) and he seems to not want to bomb brown people every 2nd week. But where’s this extremist stuff, in black and white??

Think this will end up in tears. There's an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.
What are the extreme values people are worried about?

He’s copping a lot of stick - some of it fairly defamatory - because he’s not an establishment, big business guy (like Blair or the Tories et al) and he seems to not want to bomb brown people every 2nd week. But where’s this extremist stuff, in black and white??

The only worry is the red flag song he sung in the pub after the vote!

Think this will end up in tears. There's an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.
What are the extreme values people are worried about?

He’s copping a lot of stick - some of it fairly defamatory - because he’s not an establishment, big business guy (like Blair or the Tories et al) and he seems to not want to bomb brown people every 2nd week. But where’s this extremist stuff, in black and white??

I think people will make their mind up about that. He’s a hard line leftie and there’s a lot of his controversial views to choose between.

Personally I find much in common with him, particularly when it comes to social stuff, and some foreign policy. He’s stayed true to his socialist principles, which is both strength and potential weakness. I take issue with him when it comes to nationalisation particularly, and can’t support his views on the Russia/Ukraine conflict - basically backing the Russians.

I’m probably taking the pragmatic view that if he goes to the people with his full agenda he’ll be in trouble, particularly on some economic issues, and he’ll be seen as too extreme by many I think when it comes to foreign policy (much of which - his support for the Palestinians for example, I’m sympathetic to) which will be characterised and demonised by the right. He’s not safe, which is refreshing, but may be his downfall too.

Could be a Michael Foote mkII

Corbyn will find it tough to win the election being a hard leftie, though the first past the post system will be a help - This would never work in Australia because we don’t have a history of supporting socialist type parties - These parties often get up to 25% of the vote in European countries,while they struggle to get 5% of the vote in Australia.

Think this will end up in tears. There's an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.
What are the extreme values people are worried about?

He’s copping a lot of stick - some of it fairly defamatory - because he’s not an establishment, big business guy (like Blair or the Tories et al) and he seems to not want to bomb brown people every 2nd week. But where’s this extremist stuff, in black and white??

I haven’t been following the whole business very closely (though @CorbynWarnings on twitter is pretty piss funny), but his policy of unilateral nuclear disarmament is pretty damn extreme. And I’m a Green, saying that.

According to daytripper, Australia has just followed suit.

Think this will end up in tears. There's an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.
What are the extreme values people are worried about?

He’s copping a lot of stick - some of it fairly defamatory - because he’s not an establishment, big business guy (like Blair or the Tories et al) and he seems to not want to bomb brown people every 2nd week. But where’s this extremist stuff, in black and white??

The only worry is the red flag song he sung in the pub after the vote!

why is that a worry?

How does he feel about pork?

Think this will end up in tears. There's an appetite, and need, for some old fashioned Labour values, but methinks that Corbyn is too extreme - and the electorate will think the same.
What are the extreme values people are worried about?

He’s copping a lot of stick - some of it fairly defamatory - because he’s not an establishment, big business guy (like Blair or the Tories et al) and he seems to not want to bomb brown people every 2nd week. But where’s this extremist stuff, in black and white??

The only worry is the red flag song he sung in the pub after the vote!

Great song; watch YouTube Billy Bragg singing it, will make you want to join in.

https://youtu.be/zEKYQ4GOqmk

Read the Lyrics

The People’s Flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead,
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts’ blood dyed its every fold.
Chorus:
So raise the scarlet standard high.
Beneath its folds we’ll live and die,
Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer,
We’ll keep the red flag flying here.
Look round, the Frenchman loves its blaze,
The sturdy German chants its praise,
In Moscow’s vaults its hymns were sung
Chicago swells the surging throng.
(chorus)
It waved above our infant might,
When all ahead seemed dark as night;
It witnessed many a deed and vow,
We must not change its colour now.
(chorus)
It well recalls the triumphs past,
It gives the hope of peace at last;
The banner bright, the symbol plain,
Of human right and human gain.
(chorus)
It suits today the weak and base,
Whose minds are fixed on pelf and place
To cringe before the rich man’s frown,
And haul the sacred emblem down.
(chorus)
With head uncovered swear we all
To bear it onward till we fall;
Come dungeons dark or gallows grim,
This song shall be our parting hymn.
(chorus)

This was Corbyn’s first PM question session. It is fascinating to me as an outsider and vastly superior to our question time.
Incidentally I’m no fan of Cameron’s politics but his capacity to work on the floor of parliament with limited notes across such a breadth of policy areas is remarkable theatre, an amazingly agile mind, even if it is misdirected. And of course his vocal passages are clear of foreign objects. Early on Corbyn pounds him relentlessly but fairly and projects a sincerity rarely seen in our parliament.
I have to say that both are clearly superior parliamentary performers to their antipodean counterparts.