That’s some curiously slack language.
Citation/context/dictionary needed.
So, we’ve established you’re not a fan of original sin or the Catholic Church.
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Actually the original definition of holocaust was a Jewish sacrificial offering which was burnt completely on an altar. It has absolutely nothing to do with the taking of an innocent life. In more recent times it is obviously used to define the mass murder of millions by the Germans during WWII.
As for your support of TwoSmokingBarrels comments regarding a Zygote being a human life, as I replied to them, if the zygote is indeed a separate life from the moment of conception, then the zygote should be able to survive on its own, entirely separate from the mother. If you want a scientific fact, then I could call a zygote/foetus a parasite. It relies entirely on its host for nutrients and gives nothing back.
Like so many that are anti-abortion, you blur the line between what is scientific fact and what is simply a firmly held personal or religious belief. Your comments regarding killing children after birth simply reinforces the perception that you are arguing from an emotional point of view rather than looking at the facts. No doctor anywhere in the world deliberately kills a child after birth. There is a vast difference between withholding treatment for a child that has no chance of living outside of its mothers body (see comment about parasites), and killing a perfectly healthy newborn.
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For those who saw the amazing speech by Jon Stewart, and if you didn’t you should.
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Well Tripper, I was hoping you had been in a clinic having your character sorted.
Guess you got out with another of your strange personalities
Do you carry around a foetus in a bottle to prove your assertions like some of the other nut jobs do?
Go away fool.
Dingus 2020 - Haha…has already choked a man to death. 
Best left unexplained.
It worked for the Liberals.
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I look forward to the day when TeH LEFT finally win their secret, UN backed war on humanity and arsehats like you are subject to mandatory retrospective abortion.
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Again, just ban this idiot.
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Legal or illegal, women are going to seek out abortionists anyway. Making it legal just means it’s safer for women who aren’t forced to go to back alley abortionists who are sharpening up their coat hangers as we speak.
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Science VS did a great podcast on the backyard abortion epidemic prior to roe vs Wade. Hospitals had wards and wards focused solely on women who had backyard abortions gone wrong. The scale of the suffering was huge.
What ■■■■■■ me off about the right to life view of the world is they ignore the suffering they cause.
Women who are forced to have an unwanted baby often end up in poverty because their costs go up and they can’t work as much. They often end up trapped in an abusive relationship because they can’t take the child away from the father. And many women’s careers are permanently derailed due to an unplanned pregnancy at a young age, reducing their earnings for life. But does the right look to provide more support to mothers? No, America is the only developed nation not to provide maternity leave.
Then you look at the children. The outcomes for unwanted children are far far worse than for those that were wanted by their parents. Crime rates of these kids in their teens and twenties are far higher than the national average. The harm to the community and to the children themselves is huge. But does the right focus of education and child welfare to counteract this problem? No, they cut funding to support services and simply throw more police at the problem that results.
So if you want to eliminate abortion, have a plan for the real problems that will be caused. If you don’t, you’re a hypocrite.
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That’s because he’s Kenyan.
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Trying to be logical with this fool in a waste of time.
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TBF if the other guy is being asked to cite these specific claims, then you should too.
That’s not me saying you are wrong btw, just you are making claims that really need to be backed up.
Also why bother engaging anyway? No one will win this argument and pretty much everyone in here already has an entrenched viewpoint. And the topic is a very emotive one that rarely ends well.
He isn’t a troll imo, he just holds a view that is very very different to the majority and the majority don’t like it. Not sure why he needs to be banned though?
Happy to.
On the link between domestic violence and abortion:
https://obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1576/toag.11.3.163.27500
Proposed liberalisation or restrictions of abortion law may particularly affect those women presenting late, in ambivalent or violent relationships or with little social support or financial resources. One of the reasons that healthcare organisations such as the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists act to protect the legality of abortions performed at later gestations is to support victims of domestic violence who may present late.
The link between abortion denial and poverty:
https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304247
This study followed 956 women who were denied or not denied an abortion and compared the outcomes.
The majority of women in the study were living in poverty at baseline, and carrying the unwanted pregnancy to term led to almost a 4-fold increase in the odds that a woman’s household income was below the FPL. Restrictions on abortion that prevent women from obtaining wanted abortions may result in reductions in full-time employment, increased incidence of poverty, more women raising children alone, and greater reliance on public assistance. The net result may have serious adverse economic consequences for women and children. Laws that impose a gestational limit for abortion or otherwise restrict access to abortion will result in worsened economic outcomes for women.
And maternity leave:
The United States is one of the only countries in the world, and the only OECD member, that has not passed laws requiring businesses and corporations to offer paid maternity leave to their employees.
Onto the link between unwanted pregnancies and crime.
This study into the link between abortion and crime was first published nearly 20 years ago, resulting in attacks from both the Pro-Life and Pro-Choice sides of the debate. They made predictions based off the abortion rates at the time and recently followed up to check their predictions.
It is rare for an economic theory to make predictions for twenty years into the future that are both
bold and precise. The abortion-crime hypothesis of Donohue and Levitt (2001), however, did just
that. Based on an extrapolation that assumed the same point estimates in the ensuing two
decades as were estimated in the original sample, Donohue and Levitt (2001) predicted that
crime would fall an additional 20 percent in the United States. The results in this paper provide
strong support for that prediction. Using the same specifications as Donohue and Levitt (2001),
but extended to a sample that includes an additional seventeen years of data, in almost all cases
the point estimates are at least as large as in the original analysis, and in many cases the point
estimates are bigger. The effective abortion rate rose from roughly 190 in 1997 to 330 in 2014.
Using the preferred specifications in Table IV – the same specifications upon which the original
predictions were based – the implied crime decline due to legalized abortion over the ensuing 17
years was slightly greater than 20 percent, with a cumulative impact of legalized abortion on
crime of roughly 45 percent.
A key thing to note about this study is the author doesn’t suggest this is a case for or against abortion. Instead he highlights the critical importance of upbringing in the outcomes children have once they reach adulthood. So if you do want to eliminate abortion, and you don’t increase support to children in difficult environments, you will end up with an increase in crime.
Interestingly, it looks like the other major impact on crime reduction was the elimination of lead from fuel. This had large impacts on brain development and has been a huge public health win. Increase in policing and harsher sentences had marginal impact on reducing crime. The tailing off of the Ice epidemic also had a measurable impact.
Hope that’s useful and interesting.
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It’s actually really hard to find decent sources for some of these issues. Highly partisan groups have websites that look credible but are extremely biased. I tried to go for the scientific papers wherever possible as it eliminates the editorial nature of most coverage.
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He is not Tripper. He is obviously an American deluded by Fox propaganda.
Profile says he lives in Canada, surely he would not lie.
Sounds like the Tripster !
Lays outlandishly loud and stinking turds, doesn’t address any reply. Waits long periods to get jollies. Please don’t talk about majorities. What tosh.
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So? Just because you don’t like what he says doesn’t mean he cannot have a voice. If you ban everyone you disagree with you end up with an echo chamber. At least this has pushed people (Benny) to provide some facts instead of just carrying on.
We all have to put up with DNP.
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