West Taiwan (aka CHINA)

I’d say that if you could go behind the scenes, way behind the scenes, and witness the level of planning and collusion to destroy other countries, you may change your mind.

Powerful countries are doing everything they can to disrupt their competitors in global influence to whatever level they can get away with.

If you reckon the rampant hacking of websites isn’t government backed, I reckon you’re dreaming.

Providing they have the capital and know-how, all countries snipe and undermine each other at every opportunity, whilst being conciliatory at the political and, most times, at the trading level.

I’m not sure how you’d term 9/11. A third party funded terrorism act that brought the most dominant nation on the planet to war. No, to wars. Plural.

What constitutes a war act? Cyber warefare? Trade embargoes? Blockades? Third party funding terrorism? These particular acts are an everyday, and they are employed against even the most powerful of nations.

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Don’t bet on it. I still clearly remember the days when Taiwan was in the UN and recognized as China, while the 1 billion people of the mainland were not recognized at all. Thanks to Nixon that all changed and he is seen as a hero in Beijing.

The fear being propagated within some media and military circles is a war between China and the US+allies defending Taiwan. That is the war I am talking about as being only for the insane.

The skirmishes and proxy battles that you are referring to have been reality for a long time, before Vietnam or Reagan’s Nicaraguan Freedom Fighters.

We have a real war in Ukraine. Listening to Putin and his supporters, they sound insane to me. That war is a world apart from cyber warfare or economic blockades.

The CCP are not insane. They’ll wait until there is no risk of all out war eg when they know Taiwan is alone, or they’ll find another way.

Hmm.

Xi’s charm visit to Europe ( with his wife no less) , starting with Macron.
Prodding China to be less neutral in the Russian War on Ukraine, while sending signals about China’s trade policies.

Oh, if only the deeds matched the words.

“Xi Jinping on Monday warned against smearing China over the Ukraine conflict, insisting that Beijing was playing a “positive role” trying to find a peaceful solution to Russia’s invasion. “We oppose using the Ukraine crisis to cast blame, smear a third country and incite a new Cold War,” Xi told reporters during a joint news conference alongside Emmanuel Macron.”

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And… reality bites.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/opinion/international/4646937-xi-jinping-visits-a-sinosceptic-europe/amp/

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Lol. Beijing Bacchus and Wu Mao^ Ewok?

^

Gough beat Nixon to it , admittedly as Opposition leader, followed by visit as PM in 1973 and establishing diplomatic relations in that year.
Brownie points for us.
It took USA some years longer to unravel the import bans and to establish diplomatic relations.

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Back in the day being a Member of one of Communist Parties in Australia was no real big deal, and many of us at University were.

It was not a very user friendly bunch and while we called ourselves comrades the ideology was all over the place. The only sane Australian Commos I met were those who were Trade Unionists like Clarrie O’Shea.

Problem with Democracy, Socialism and Communism is not that the ideology of any is totally bad, it is those in Leadership who screw it up. I reckon Anarchy is the way to go, until human nature takes over and someone wants more than the rest of us and will not share.

I had a priest tell me once that Hell is just pure anarchy. Think I am going to hell.

Hey @Nexta ……China has come out and blamed our helo for provocation against China’s fighter jet ……so they dropped flares in front of it

China: Hey Handsome Boy stop trying to provoke us with you intimidatory helicopters. Next time we kill you

Albo: Have you seen the price of our delicious lobsters. I’ll lower the price to $90 a kilo if you’re nice to us. And I’ll throw in some good Aussie wine and beef !

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MoD data breach: China suspected of hacking UK armed forces payroll

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By Henry Zeffman & Gordon Corera

BBC News

The government suspects China was behind the hack of an armed forces payroll system, the BBC understands.

Defence Secretary Grant Shapps will not identify a specific culprit when he addresses MPs today, but is expected to warn of the dangers posed by cyber espionage from hostile states.

The system used by the Ministry of Defence (MoD) includes names and bank details of armed forces personnel.

China described the suggestion as a “fabricated and malicious slander”.

In a very small number of cases, the data may include personal addresses.

The system, holding “personal HMRC-style information” for current regular, reservist and former members of the Royal Navy, Army and Royal Air Force over a period of several years, was managed by an external contractor.

Downing Street said it was reviewing the security of the unnamed contractor’s operations.

The government became aware of the data breach in recent days, and has not found evidence hackers removed data but is continuing to investigate.

Cabinet minister Mel Stride told Sky News the government takes cybersecurity “extremely seriously” and acted “very swiftly”.

Sources have told BBC News the investigation into who was behind the breach, which will be seen as embarrassing for the MoD, is at an early stage.

It can take months, sometimes years, to gather enough evidence to publicly accuse so China is unlikely to be officially named today.

However, that does seem to be where suspicions are pointing towards, especially in light of Beijing’s track record of targeting these kind of data sets.

Service people affected by the hack will receive further information from the government about the breach and will be told any concerns are more about fraud risks rather than personal safety.

In an email sent to people affected on Tuesday, personnel were told they were confident May salaries will not be affected, but there may be slight delays to payments of routine expenses.

In response to the breach, Conservative MPs have raised concerns about the threat from China.

‘Serious questions’

Tobias Ellwood, former chairman of the Commons Defence Committee, told BBC Radio’s 4 Today programme: “Targeting the names of the payroll system and service personnel’s bank details, this does point to China because it can be as part of a plan, a strategy to see who might be coerced.”

He pointed to China previously trying to gain information from ex-RAF pilots.

Iain Duncan Smith said the government must admit China poses a threat to the UK.

“No more pretence, China is a malign actor, supporting Russia with money and military equipment, working with Iran and North Korea in a new axis of totalitarian states,” he said.

Meanwhile, Labour’s Shadow Defence Secretary John Healey said there were “serious questions” for Mr Shapps and “any such hostile action is utterly unacceptable”.

In a statement, the Chinese embassy in the UK said it strongly opposed the suggestion China was responsible and it had no need to “meddle in the internal affairs of the UK”.

“We urge the relevant parties in the UK to stop spreading false information, stop fabricating so-called China threat narratives, and stop their anti-China political farce,” a spokesman said.

Last year, the government published an updated version of its long-term defence strategy which said the use of “commercial spyware, ransomware and offensive cyber capabilities by state and non-state actors has proliferated”.

In March, the government publicly accused China of being behind an August 2021 hacktargeting the details of millions of voters held by the Electoral Commission.

In December 2023, the National Cyber Security Centre said Russian intelligence was behind a “malicious cyber activity attempting to interfere in UK politics and democratic processes”.

Public institutions and private firms have also been targeted by hackers demanding ransoms.

The Metropolitan Police said it is not involved in any investigation at this stage.

Additional reporting André Rhoden-Paul

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Yep, Sounds about right. Stop provoking China by being in their hemisphere.

You forgot to thank the Tories (especially Abbot and Hockey) for unilaterally shutting down our car industry. It should be easy to remember as it was less than 10 years ago, not even as long ago as EFC’s last finals win.

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Our great and powerful friend across the water has form in bringing its western allies into line with trade measures if it doesn’t like their other policies.
At one stage NZ was erased from the world map in the State Dept, NZ officials and Government were blackballed from any bilateral contact and shunned in international forums. Rover across the water usually heeled and was not subject to the same opprobrium.
The Nats stay away from any criticism of China, claim they leave foreign policies to the Libs in the Coalition.

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Interesting Big A

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These local industries couldn’t compete with overseas manufacturers. They were relying on ever increasing government handouts. If the Libs shut them down, more accurate is these industries became reliant on increasing government funding which isn’t sustainable. Bottom line is, they became uncompetitive and unviable.

Every local car maker in Europe depends on Government handouts to stay in business.

Our Government should have continued to support our car industry but with a much stricter agenda.

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Mexico is an indirect beneficiary of protectionist US measures against a range of Chinese manufactures, some spuriously justified on national security grounds.
Reportedly, China has moved some of its EV production to Mexico, which has an FTA with the USA.

I don’t know. I was pretty outraged when it became apparent that Forf asked the AUS government for a hand out when they had every intention to bail.