#30 B. Zerk-Thatcher - Silvagni minus the cheating

Is it @JBOMBER and @Ants who have had some long debates about this topic?

Maybe this thread needs them :joy:

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Speak of the devil and he shall appear…

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People are bagging Dodoro for not drafting talls now, hhahahahhaha, wasn’t it mids last year was his core fault with drafting.

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There’s no debate - its reality v delusion. 15 years no finals wins equals lists that have not been good enough - thems the facts. Only 9 AA spots have been won by players Dodoro has drafted or traded in (even if you include those won at other clubs ie Ryder & Pig) - thats again the lowest in the competition. Carlton for comparison have 19, Geelong have 51. So even the clappers who creamed themselves over the 2017 AA side having 5 Dodoro recruits can’t ignore that year was a massive outlier but still didn’t make up for the rest of his career.

As for the mids v talls part - yep we have heavily invested in mids over the last 4 years (5 counting the 2019 1st rounder). Post Jobe it was looking diabolical & we really only had Hepp & Zerrett as our only chance of emerging or possibly top quality mids on the list. We had to go mid 1st in 2015/16 & then the trade ins of 2017 were all very much needed & I have had no issue saying that was Dodoro’s best work. Shiel is a tough one to judge. On 1 hand we absolutely need him & more quality mids like him but I thought the price was too high especially compared to say Treloar who I rated higher & was traded 3 years earlier (they were born on the same day). Do I think its likely Dodoro would have drafted a better player with pick 9 last year & pick whatever this year - no I don’t have the confidence in his recruiting so I will take the bird in the hand.

I believe the club rightly looked at our KP stocks & believed Hurley & Hooker down back were good enough to be the key talls of a strong back 6 with Hartley & Brown as backup. We also had Francis (pick 6) emerging. Up forward we had potentially the best key forward in the game post 2017, Stewart showing some promise, Smack & for the 1st time since 2000 we had multiple specialised small forwards who could kick goals with 1 (Raz) potentially a match winner. What did we need to make that side competitive - a decent midfield. I still don’t think we are there but I will never think targeting mids has been the wrong tactic. I have always & still firmly believe that until we have a quality mid group, talls at either end will be of little consequence. Collingwood made a GF last year with the worst KP stocks in history (Cox, Mihocek, Langdon & Goldsack).

I would think that drafting KP talls & a young ruck would be a priority in the 2019/20 drafts.

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Good arguments in that post… mostly onboard with it all. The one thing the Pies do have is a gun tall in Grundy. Also, if the Pies had a McGovern in the final the result might have been different.

Totally get our midfield was thin and needed bolstering from 2015 to 2018, but our big man stocks, across the board, are now on the decline. Ruttens work is papering over cracks down back, (Hurls doesn’t look like he can handle the big fwds anymore) and Belly is already moving like a boat. I expect Dods and Woosh thought we were closer to a flag than maybe we are, and took the punt… and, despite what some here think, I reckon that was a fair, if wrong (in hindsight) call to make. It’ll be an interesting next couple of years hoping Joey, zerk, draper etc come on faster than the old guys decline.

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I may have a thread for you guys

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St Kilda will be all over him when he’s out of contract

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Drafting is not our problem. I reckon we are bottom 4 for ability to unlock the potential out of a player.

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FMD there was 80 new posts in here since I left work, I was sure the injury report had come out and he’s ruptured an everything and was out for 6 seasons, but instead it’s turned into another Dodoro thread…

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This shocks me to the core. How on Mother Earth do you get time for another job? I thought you were employed full time by the Blitz Billionaires to post expert analysis on climate science.

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They say its a knock, not a strain… good news

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Reading the injury report on Zerk-Thatcher is rather worrisome.

“We’ll keep in the back of our minds that these things can present like a strain, so if he doesn’t progress as expected then we’ll get him scanned.

Why wouldn’t we just get a scan done? What are we running out there at Tulla? Some sort of two bit operation or a professional sporting organisation? This sort of comment off the back of the Daniher and Stewart injuries leaves me highly concerned with our approach to fitness and injuries.

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Not this again. FFS.

What has probably happened:

The doctor has looked at it and gone “It’ll likely just heal on it’s own, rest up Zerk and see me in a couple of days”, in which case diagnostic tests are pointless.

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Are we too tight for an MRI scan?

You do realize you can’t just walk in and demand an MRI scan, right?

Demand no…

A simple appointment for a professional footballer would suffice though…

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We have club doctors that can issue a referral. Surely it’s the prudent approach rather then treating an injury and ‘hoping’ the initial diagnosis was correct.

Interesting. Let’s hope that the corkie hasn’t bled around the tendon which then leads to a subsequent strain. Pretty sure something along those lines happened to one of our players earlier this year?

I’m going to guess that he won’t play this week.

Unless you’re using our own MRI (Blitz crowd funding idea?) some poor sod is bumped further down the list / waiting time every time a footballer needs a preventative/ diagnostic scan.
But of course footballers are more important than actual patients.

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Yes but they need to know whether to treat for a corkie (with rest) or for a hammie (with rest)

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