Adrian Dodoro - Flankers into Mids since 2000 (Part 1)

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Given a exceptionally tough task last year, and while some people may not be completely happy with the results I think he has done exceptionally well with our list given the circumstances. Given all we copped in sanctions that effected list management and the overall stigma that is now saddled to our club I really think he has done a ■■■■■■ amazing job. Chapman, Z Merrett, Gwilt, Cooney and Giles are great peices who strengthen our list.
I thank you for your resilience, your lateral thinking, and your ability to get on with it and make the most of what you had available to you.
Just one more thing.....

While I hate that pa got ryder so cheaply I can't really blame Dodoro and the list management team. Given the difficult circumstances of the last couple of years they have done pretty well.

However, if we ever get the chance to 'repay' pa then I hope we don't hesitate!

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Hawthorn lost their best player last year, and won the flag this year.

We have lost a player, who  by his own words who goes missing during games. I watched many a preseason training session this year, and the amount of work Bomba and the coaches put into Ryder to get him to understand what work ethic it took for him to be a good player was surprising to me. Mostly because I thought he would have known after 8years. 

For him to walk out like he did, and then only give the option of dealing with Port showed what a disingenuous person he is.  I was a massive Ryder fan, now I cant forgive him.

 

Dodoro showed a bit of class in saying that Essendon still love Paddy, and he is always welcome back. However, it is not hard to tell that this was the deal shoved in his face and he had no choice but to take it.

 

Draft time will be super important for us, if we can get another kid on top of Heppel, Daniher, and Merret, and Gleeson, who have all had a relatively quick impact on our team, that would be awesome.

 

Right now we have an old team which exists due to the need to keep us afloat during these draft penalties. Hopefully making us ultra competitive for the whole season by adding depth, and mature bodies. Hopefully we play finals, and make an impact.

However, next year, Fletch, Winders, Chappy, all go, and the dynamic of the list changes to centre around the young core of players we have,

Hepps, Daniher, Carlisle, Hurls, Hooker, Merrets, Gleeson, Ashby, Colyer and Zaka.

 

I think from that point of view he has done very well to keep the list balanced as possible.

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Dodoro showed a bit of class in saying that Essendon still love Paddy, and he is always welcome back. However, it is not hard to tell that this was the deal shoved in his face and he had no choice but to take it.

 

Agree.  The deal has the AFL's grubby paw marks all over it. 

 

I feel pretty foolish for bagging Dodoro yesterday.  Emotions were high when Ryder's refusal to go to GWS cost us pick 4(?), but am now happy we did the best we could in the circumstances.

 

My only concern is how T-bell's ankle will come up.  Kinda important that a ruckman be able to jump.  At least we have a serviceable replacement in Giles in the worst-case scenario.

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Hawthorn lost their best player last year, and won the flag this year.
We have lost a player, who by his own words who goes missing during games. I watched many a preseason training session this year, and the amount of work Bomba and the coaches put into Ryder to get him to understand what work ethic it took for him to be a good player was surprising to me. Mostly because I thought he would have known after 8years.
For him to walk out like he did, and then only give the option of dealing with Port showed what a disingenuous person he is. I was a massive Ryder fan, now I cant forgive him.
Dodoro showed a bit of class in saying that Essendon still love Paddy, and he is always welcome back. However, it is not hard to tell that this was the deal shoved in his face and he had no choice but to take it.
Draft time will be super important for us, if we can get another kid on top of Heppel, Daniher, and Merret, and Gleeson, who have all had a relatively quick impact on our team, that would be awesome.
Right now we have an old team which exists due to the need to keep us afloat during these draft penalties. Hopefully making us ultra competitive for the whole season by adding depth, and mature bodies. Hopefully we play finals, and make an impact.
However, next year, Fletch, Winders, Chappy, all go, and the dynamic of the list changes to centre around the young core of players we have,
Hepps, Daniher, Carlisle, Hurls, Hooker, Merrets, Gleeson, Ashby, Colyer and Zaka.
I think from that point of view he has done very well to keep the list balanced as possible.


Dodoro is a very good operator.
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Disco can now get back to doing what he does best - drafting quality talls.

(Gregory doesn’t count, coz he was pick 100 or something, and Bomber had input didn’t he?)

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I heard there are two more Merretts, and they‘re better. One started playing this year, and the other will start after we recruit him. Oh yeah, and did I mention that youngest one is a ruckman?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAw_ajQhW3M

 

disco dodoro

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I’d give him a pass mark, but not much more.

There was little to no interest in Giles and Gwilt, so they were gimmes. Cooney could have gone to North, but was apparently impressed by our facilities and Hird. Not sure how much credit Disco can take there. Besides, we were prepared to pay the Dogs a much higher price than anyone else. The Ryder deal is palatable under the circumstances, but that’s about it. Port were a massive winner there. It’s hard to say from the outside looking in, but maybe we should have been getting Ryder used to the idea of going to GWS before the last day of the trade period.

So, he didn’t burn the place down, but we got some aging talent that fills gaps in the list. So a pass mark is fair enough. If he had orchestrated a trade that is likely to benefit the club for more than two years, I’d be singing his praises. We really need to contend over the next few years because our age profile is one of a team that has been playing prelims and GFs rather than that of a team that hasn’t won a final in 10 years.

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I'd give him a pass mark, but not much more.
There was little to no interest in Giles and Gwilt, so they were gimmes. Cooney could have gone to North, but was apparently impressed by our facilities and Hird. Not sure how much credit Disco can take there. Besides, we were prepared to pay the Dogs a much higher price than anyone else. The Ryder deal is palatable under the circumstances, but that's about it. Port were a massive winner there. It's hard to say from the outside looking in, but maybe we should have been getting Ryder used to the idea of going to GWS before the last day of the trade period.
So, he didn't burn the place down, but we got some aging talent that fills gaps in the list. So a pass mark is fair enough. If he had orchestrated a trade that is likely to benefit the club for more than two years, I'd be singing his praises. We really need to contend over the next few years because our age profile is one of a team that has been playing prelims and GFs rather than that of a team that hasn't won a final in 10 years.

Weren't Adelaide chasing Giles? Wasn't North offering pick #36 for Cooney, and originally at least (not sure how it ended up) but they were offering to pay much more of his salary than we were? I too am on the outside looking in, but given how things went I don't see Paddy being convinced of anything outside of the move to Port.

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I'd give him a pass mark, but not much more.
There was little to no interest in Giles and Gwilt, so they were gimmes. Cooney could have gone to North, but was apparently impressed by our facilities and Hird. Not sure how much credit Disco can take there. Besides, we were prepared to pay the Dogs a much higher price than anyone else. The Ryder deal is palatable under the circumstances, but that's about it. Port were a massive winner there. It's hard to say from the outside looking in, but maybe we should have been getting Ryder used to the idea of going to GWS before the last day of the trade period.
So, he didn't burn the place down, but we got some aging talent that fills gaps in the list. So a pass mark is fair enough. If he had orchestrated a trade that is likely to benefit the club for more than two years, I'd be singing his praises. We really need to contend over the next few years because our age profile is one of a team that has been playing prelims and GFs rather than that of a team that hasn't won a final in 10 years.

Weren't Adelaide chasing Giles? Wasn't North offering pick #36 for Cooney, and originally at least (not sure how it ended up) but they were offering to pay much more of his salary than we were? I too am on the outside looking in, but given how things went I don't see Paddy being convinced of anything outside of the move to Port.

Giles could have chosen Adelaide. I think he would have made a pragmatic decision about where he was going to get more opportunities. Backing up Belly is a better prospect for someone like Giles than Jacobs, especially considering Hird likes to play two ruckmen. Jacobs has hardly missed a game in years, and Belly has only played one full season of footy.
It's hard to say whether we could have done better with Ryder. Maybe we could have dismissed Port's offer early and positioned GWS as the only viable trading partner. As it turned out, GWS came to the party late, and it would have been difficult for them to agree to terms with Ryder at the last hour. Port controlled the narrative and sold themselves as the only viable trading partner. They were the clear winners in that trade and took advantage of the situation.
So while I think Dodoro did a decent job, anything better than a pass mark is being very generous in my opinion.
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I'd give him a pass mark, but not much more.
There was little to no interest in Giles and Gwilt, so they were gimmes. Cooney could have gone to North, but was apparently impressed by our facilities and Hird. Not sure how much credit Disco can take there. Besides, we were prepared to pay the Dogs a much higher price than anyone else. The Ryder deal is palatable under the circumstances, but that's about it. Port were a massive winner there. It's hard to say from the outside looking in, but maybe we should have been getting Ryder used to the idea of going to GWS before the last day of the trade period.
So, he didn't burn the place down, but we got some aging talent that fills gaps in the list. So a pass mark is fair enough. If he had orchestrated a trade that is likely to benefit the club for more than two years, I'd be singing his praises. We really need to contend over the next few years because our age profile is one of a team that has been playing prelims and GFs rather than that of a team that hasn't won a final in 10 years.

Weren't Adelaide chasing Giles? Wasn't North offering pick #36 for Cooney, and originally at least (not sure how it ended up) but they were offering to pay much more of his salary than we were? I too am on the outside looking in, but given how things went I don't see Paddy being convinced of anything outside of the move to Port.

Giles could have chosen Adelaide. I think he would have made a pragmatic decision about where he was going to get more opportunities. Backing up Belly is a better prospect for someone like Giles than Jacobs, especially considering Hird likes to play two ruckmen. Jacobs has hardly missed a game in years, and Belly has only played one full season of footy.
It's hard to say whether we could have done better with Ryder. Maybe we could have dismissed Port's offer early and positioned GWS as the only viable trading partner. As it turned out, GWS came to the party late, and it would have been difficult for them to agree to terms with Ryder at the last hour. Port controlled the narrative and sold themselves as the only viable trading partner. They were the clear winners in that trade and took advantage of the situation.
So while I think Dodoro did a decent job, anything better than a pass mark is being very generous in my opinion.

 

i think there was only one party in control of this one and it wasnt either club, player or manager.

do you like my shiny hat

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The GWS offer is irrelevant really. Clubs cannot force players to go to a club they dont want to go to.  Ryder chose Port. From that point onwards we were pushing it uphill with a pointy stick.

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Get Jarman Impey as well and the trade is close to fair.

 

Face it, we folded and accepted a mediocre trade.

 

For those that want to console themselves in getting Cooney (who will turn 30 next year with shot knees ), that's fine but I am not satisfied.

 

In essence we gifted Port a golden opportunity to win a flag. Maybe if we're lucky we may get a thanks from Travis Boak when he is holding up the cup next year .

 

" Big thank you to the Dons for giving us a big red juicy apple for a crap pick and an old bag of peanuts".

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Like we had any choice with the Ryder trade.

 

Off course we had a choice, he was contracted till the end of 2016.

 

We just took the soft option.

 

"Paddy fark off to GWS for pick 4 or fark off and retire, we ain't accepting Ports crap. See you at the Grievance Tribunal champ!"

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Get Jarman Impey as well and the trade is close to fair.

 

Face it, we folded and accepted a mediocre trade.

 

For those that want to console themselves in getting Cooney (who will turn 30 next year with shot knees ), that's fine but I am not satisfied.

 

In essence we gifted Port a golden opportunity to win a flag. Maybe if we're lucky we may get a thanks from Travis Boak when he is holding up the cup next year .

 

" Big thank you to the Dons for giving us a big red juicy apple for a crap pick and an old bag of peanuts".

Great post, and deserving of more than just a like!

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Get Jarman Impey as well and the trade is close to fair.

 

Face it, we folded and accepted a mediocre trade.

 

For those that want to console themselves in getting Cooney (who will turn 30 next year with shot knees ), that's fine but I am not satisfied.

 

In essence we gifted Port a golden opportunity to win a flag. Maybe if we're lucky we may get a thanks from Travis Boak when he is holding up the cup next year .

 

" Big thank you to the Dons for giving us a big red juicy apple for a crap pick and an old bag of peanuts".

 

Gifted Port?  What were we supposed to do?  Feels like we handed Port a golden opportunity at gunpoint.

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Posted 09 October 2014 - 02:17 PM

Yossarian, on 09 Oct 2014 - 1:55 PM, said:

    

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        Ryder has already been taking daily direction from senior Power coach Ken Hinkley and training to fitness coach Darren Burgess‘ specialised program.

        And the ruckman-forward has his family deep into planning its move to Adelaide.

    

    And he wants to test if we are in breach of contract?

    

I'll say it again.

We're getting played here.

Need to publicly shut down negotiations with Port right now.

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What devil was drafting Gregory and Van Unen all about?

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Needs to be reiterated that Paddy needs to consent to any trade.

 

Was never going anywhere except Port.

 

We could have gone to tribunal but would have "won" Paddy back or lost him for nothing. We weren't going to win pick 4 from GWS.

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I agree that was the state of play on the last day.

I don't agree that it needed to get that far, but that's just my opinion.

 

As for Dodoro's performance, I honestly don't know what to say.

I don't know what his instructions were.

I don't know what goals were and weren't reached or how reasonable those goals were.

That's not reason for undue criticism, but nor is it reason for praise.