That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. He’s been in poor shape his entire career
2 Likes
what else did ted richards say?
1 Like
We only select angels…and typically they’re soft.
1 Like
why is he still employed
4 Likes
The question that baffles the universe…along with “whats the meaning of life?”
1999, 2000, and 2001 were hardly Dudoro’s lists. Everyone in the 1999 and 2000 teams and in 2001 Grand Final team bar - I think - Danny Jacobs was recruited by Noel Judkins.
Dudoro can take resposibility for the 2002 to 2022 lists though.
Sheedy routinely had the final say on recruiting right up to the end of his coaching tenure.
3 Likes
mmm, so:
1: who did we recruit & lose in those years
2: who really was the decision maker in those years, Jackets or Sheeds
Hmmm, well Franga must’ve turned it around quickly as he was an emergency last week.
Things have changed a fair bit since that draft.
If you have a KP forward the size of McKay projected to go mid first round…… you go early on him, even if it’s a reach.
You don’t get many 202cm Key forwards who are first round quality very often. If you have a top 5 pick, you just pick them.
1 Like
2 Likes
According to a myth that I’m yet to see any evidence to support. Sheedy often talked about not being able to pick up Pike and that’s when Sheedy was a virtual god. I simply don’t buy the idea that Dodoro has ever been a rubber stamp.
Wasn’t Ted. It was a Swans premiership player though
1 Like
Pike was way back in 1992. After the 93 premiership, Sheedy became much more powerful. I’m pretty sure it’s on record that he overruled the recruiters in 1996 to take Daniel McAlister over Max Hudgton because he wanted to coach the first Maori in the AFL, for instance. After 2000, he had the keys to the kingdom and was calling pretty much all the drafting shots.
Dodoro only joined the club in i think 1998, and he joined young. It’s not like he had a mountain of experience back then, and there’s no chance that Sheedy would have just handed that power over to a kid right away. He was the guy that went around to the u18 games and told Sheedy about players. Sheedy was the one who still made the actual final drafting calls though - or at the very least overrule them if he wanted to. Shane Harvey in 2001 was one of Sheedy’s, for instance, he wanted to make him better than his brother. I think this stayed true til at least 2004ish, and probably longer. I remember that Sheedy’s refusal to loosen his grip on recruiting was one of the factors that soured the board on him and eventually got him turfed. By that time, it was clear that recruiting had professionalised across the league, and that teams like us who had the overworked senior coach making all the decisions were way behind. I think Sheedy got a lot of recruiting responsibility taken off him after the season 2006 debacle (whether it was before or after the 2006 draft i don’t know), but by then he’d alienated a critical mass of the board and his days were numbered.
3 Likes
Actually, now I think about it, the 2006 draft must have been a Sheedy draft, surely. It LOOKS like a Sheedy draft. Two indigenous blokes in the main draft in Jetta and Davey, plus two ‘he’s a rough diamond but i can fix him’ types in Reimers and Hislop, plus Houli who was groundbreaking for his time as a muslim in the AFL. I have no actual evidence, but all those guys scream ‘Sheedy pick’ to me.
Compare and contrast with what came after. Indigenous recruitment drops off a cliff after the 2006 draft, we draft a total of I think three more indigenous players in the next 8 drafts, two of who are rookies, and two of who are named ‘Long’. And the start of the recruiting focus on leadership and good character starts then too, with Myers the poster boy, but also a very noticable trend towards risk aversion even in the rookie picks. Magin, Williams, Klemke, German, Still, Silverlock, Ross, Davis, Dalgleish, Lee, Marigliani, etc etc are all rookies or late picks from that period immediately after Sheedy’s departure. The age of the vanilla panic merchant, if you will. Not many rolls of the dice on highly talented but wayward guys.
There’s a massive difference in recruiting philosophy (if not necessarily one that’s directly related to recruiting success…) after Sheedy leaves the club at the end of 2007. I have no hard evidence, but I reckon most likely that’s due to Sheedy not being the recruiting decisionmaker any more, and Dodoro (and/or Keane) taking the reins.
12 Likes
Pike was 2000. Again this is the period where you claim without any foundation that Sheedy had the keys to the kingdom & yet he was overruled in using our 3rd pick & instead we picked up Sam Hunt. Dodo didn’t join the cub in 98 he officially took over from Judkins in 98 as recruitment manager. If you imagine Sheedy was overruling all the recruitment decisions then Sheedy assembled the 2000 side & should have continued all through the 2000’s as his record takes a giant dump on dodo’s. In reality Sheedy like all coaches had input into recruiting decisions but its nonsense that dodo was somehow making all the right recommendations but being ignored. Painting dodo as a charlatan who was taking money for a role he wasn’t doing is the biggest reason ever mentioned here to have gotten rid of him.
Why exactly was Shane Harvey one of Sheedy’s? Was Steinberg also a Sheedy call, what about Kavanaugh or Alex Morgan? What exactly was the 2006 debacle & when exactly do you imagine blitzthink went from crediting dodo for a great draft to blaming Sheedy for a disaster draft? Most of the lemmings here were of the opinion we’d won the 2006 draft. You talk about project players like it was only a sheedy phenomenon & seem completely oblivious to the fact that trying to turn players into something they are not has been the one constant of the last 26 years - its Dodo 101.
1 Like
Sheedy didn’t just have input though, he was heavily involved in the entire recruiting and drafting process. Dodoro is essentially the product of Sheedy and was mentored by him about drafting and recruiting strategies
1 Like
I have kept a running league ladder which includes all games since our 2000 flag. I have adjusted it for the late inclusions of the AFL Golden boys GWS and Gary Ablett’s Pension Plan at Gold Coast. We are lamentable and ahead of only Melbourne (flag in 2021 and currently strong), Carlton (on the rise), Gold Coast and GWS. And of course the Tin Rattlers. For sure the SAGA has knocked us about we were also irrelevant between 2004 and 2012. This says more about Dodoro and the talent he did not bring to the club than much else. And we are still not even in the same postcode as half a dozen other clubs in tems of being competitive.