If thats true then how farking moronic of the club that he didn’t go when Sheedy did. Still, Sheedy + Judkins = flag, Sheedy + Dud = 18 year finals drought. Shouldn’t take a brain scientist to see the weakest link.
By ‘2006 debacle’ I meant the 3 1/2 win 2006 season, which sealed Sheedy’s fate and which prompted a reorganisation of the footy department which took some of his power away. Not the 2006 draft.
You’re disagreeing with an argument I’m not making. I’m not pretending Dodoro hasn’t made some spectacular blunders, I’m not even arguing that his record is particularly good. I disagreed with the Morgan and Steinberg picks (and McGrath at 1) and said so at the time ffs! All I’m arguing is that in the early years of his tenure at the club, Dodoro was not the guy who made the recruiting calls. Dodoro should be judged on his own record, not on the club’s record when Sheedy was the guy making the decisions.
No, very different emphasis. Sheedy (who was certainly not above trying to turn players into something they’re not, just ask Paul Salmon or Kepler Bradley) liked upside players, liked good stories, liked redemption tales, and had a serious committment to indigenous players. Now all this had its upside and downside (we had a few big whiffs like Cupido and Hislop and the aforementioned Shane Harvey, and you can certainly argue that Sheedy’s drafting philosophy left us with a fairly leaderless club once Hird and Lloyd left, and we only lucked into Jobe as a father/son or things would have been even worse on that front), but it was very different to the drafting philosophy that we had after that.
Post Sheedy our drafting focused heavily on leadership, character, etc, to the point where we were basically devoid of off-field player behaviour scandals, but our list had been assembled in a manner that was chronically risk-averse and whiter than an albino test cricketer drinking vanilla milkshakes at the North Pole. The change in drafting strategy and emphasis is very noticable, between the 2006 draft and 2007. That’s why i was saying Sheedy managed drafting up until he was sacked. You can see his fingerprints and style all over our drafting, then all of a sudden post 2006, they’re gone and we draft completely differently from then on.
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How do you explain the sudden shift to bad recruiting that coincides with dodo beginning as recruiter. Did Sheedy suddenly forget how to recruit when Judkins left?
I’ve actually heard some people blaming the steinberg debacle on hird.
And even the failed Daniher trade in 2019 apparently it was only dodo who wanted to go ahead with the trade but was overruled by Campbell.
Lol, there are no stories his supporters won’t invent to protect him from blame over his moronic decisions.
Once again, because I seem to need to repeat it every post, I’m not saying that Dodoro is in any way unimpeachable here. Judkins was a clearly better recruiter. But it’s not JUST that going on.
What was starting to happen in the late 90s and very early 2000s was professionalisation of recruiting. The more farsighted clubs could see that the rise of the draft and the end of zones had changed things forever, and they poured resources into their recruiting departments. You couldn’t just rely on having a good group of old mates in your recruiting zone who dropped tips in your ear any more. Sheedy didn’t get worse at recruiting - other teams just got better while he stayed the same. And all this was happening at the same time as things like fitness departments were also professionalising and requiring much more time and specialised knowledge. Sheedy was trying to keep on top of all these changes at once, and run the whole shop himself. You just couldn’t do that, in the modernising game, and all aspects of the club fell further behind our rivals as he refused to delegate.
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What is your evidence that sheedy was in control of recruiting? Can you provide a single legitimate source that speaks to that - other than some poster on here or BigFooty?
That ridiculous narrative is also contradicted by public interviews with dodo himself. He says very clearly on podcasts, such as the dodcast amongst others, about how the recruiting was governed by him as the lead from 1998 and he worked with a few talent scouts across the country who all reported to him. He was in charge! He talks very clearly about his decisions and never talks about sheedy other than inheriting his recruiting philosophy from him.
You also talked above about how 2006 must have been a sheedy job because it was the type of players that sheedy liked. Please. Is that a standard of evidence you find convincing? I’m not convinced.
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So Dodoro has supposedly made the wrong decisions. Who’s coming in to make the right decisions? Does he/she need to deliver 20/20 hindsight down at the Rose St Optometrist as a prerequisite?
How do you suppose we judge the dud if it isn’t in hindsight?
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#betterthingsarentpossible
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Vozzo and Dodoro might have bonded in light of Vozzy’s 9 years as List Manager at WCE.
How’s Vozzy’s record as List Manager stack up against Dodoro’s?
Reimers and Hislop definitely didn’t keep a tidy bedroom.
Dodoro must have been appalled.
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Clearly Vozzo was just ‘lucky’
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Is there any real evidence at all to support that Dodoro is a great draft guru or list manager? 2000-1 team was not his and forget everything after for a second and focus on Perkins(tick), Cox (?) and Reid (?). Should we be worried or has our system failed them? Hopefully Hobbs and Tsatas are good otherwise we are in trouble. Alywn and Jayden were father and sons and Munkarra has been on the radar for three years so picks himself. It’s not pleasant watching Joe and Saad run around and play well while their draft replacements contribute little.
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I never said we should be beholden to high net worth supporters. I simply said the Club wouldn’t have survived the saga without their extremely generous support. Abd that in a practical sense is true. And further, that the clubs lack of haste in building a sustainable non core business is in my opinion, in part driven by their continued answering of the call which has mitigated the need to ‘need’ to move to build a non core business as a priority.
Essendon has only a small amount cash reserves presently. It isn’t flush with funds like most would believe. It’s debt free but not as strong financially as we think. These high net worth supporters in significant part subsidised The Hangar, paid down Saga debt and ensured the club maintains its viability during a period of on field failure. We should be thankful for their contributions.
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I don’t think anyone’s unthankful but it also doesn’t give them the right to hold the club hostage with jobs for the boys no matter how poorly they perform. If these contributions were contingent on them having a bigger say at the club then it’s not really a contribution, it’s a purchase.
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Bloody hell phillipou looks good. Him and McKenzie who fit our needs perfectly both firing early.
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Again, I don’t think they should hold club hostage. Thst we agree. Coteries and high net worth supporters are nonetheless very important and their financial support will continue to be vital to the clubs success.
Cheese, I completely understand your frustration about Dodoro, but it drives you to be extremely rude and aggressive. Not picking a fight here, just pointing it out. You’ll get less defensive and more interesting replies if you edit out the personal stuff before posting. But you do you.
HM was the blitz draft guru in the era we are talking about here. He’s stepped away from the U18 stuff of late, but at the time he was one of the best informed of us. It’s an opinion that in my experience is worth listening to. He won’t reply and tell you to listen to him because he’s amazing, because he isn’t a douche.
We won’t get Dodoro or Sheedy coming out and saying outright that Dodoro was left in a corner to play with the toys while the adults did the real work. But the fall of Sheedy fits pretty well with what HM is inferring. Sheedy probably listened to Dodoro, but would brute force his own decisions over the top. Dodoro credits his talls first list build strategy to Sheedy. We can’t prove it, but it does make a lot of sense that Dodoro would really cement power in the post-Sheedy vacuum.
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