Home recorded?
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Your own stupid fault for not storing the collection on a USB stick.
Why do you make the assumption it would fit on only one USB drive.
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Nope not that well endowed.
I shared a house with a character once who collected classic ■■■■ in the 1970s. He fell in love and became normal and I inherited his collection. I always hoped it would be worth good money one day, but free ■■■■ on internet somewhat changed that, and Mrs Fox the Third (Current) decided a long time ago that all had to go so they were destroyed. She is a keeper, so I did as I was told.
Yes indeed. Good boy. Always obey your keeper.
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As years go on, I wonder what happened to the Greens. They still attract about 12% of the primary vote, but just cannot improve on it. In fact, they seem to be on the road to nowhere, not in policy but in action.
While I am not one who dwells on celebrating Anzac Day, except for a particular footy match, it is still held in high regards by a majority and should not be politicised.
The Greens leader, 53 year-old career politician Dr. Adam Bandt plans to commemorate Anzac Day, normally recognised as a solemn day where we express gratitude for the fallen and all who serve Australia in our defence, with an Anzac Day sleazy rave/fundraiser in a tattoo bar, which will feature (no doubt) every known pharmaceutical, six musicians/DJs, all accompanied by West Australian senator and party animal Jordan Steele-John.
Truth is so often stranger than fiction.
We would be a better democracy with a Greens Party that could move forward in its influence.
When I hear Dutton talk, I mean he’s smart but I still almost fall off the chair wondering how he accumulates that much dough.
Our political parties are run for the banks and property developers.
When a government uses a stick instead of a carrot like the Victorian ALP has. It gets pilloried by all and sundry.
Someone should point out to Michael Sukkar that rents and property prices have fallen in Victoria.
Isn’t that exactly what solves the housing crisis? Cheaper housing?
Unemployment has hardly gone through the roof either.
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That’s a typical Labor member’s attitude to the Greens, who consistently call Labor out for its abandonment of the great majority of its foundation principles.
Adam Bandt was a well-known Labor member in Melbourne, but then got jack of the party’s anodine policies, of its refusal to take any risk on behalf of the poor and of its conflicted attitude to the coal industry, so he walked out and joined the Greens. Thus he is regarded as a traitor to the Labor cause; Labor members will do anything they can to discredit him.
Your sneering remark about Jordan Steele-John is unworthy even of you.
If the Greens have not yet gone above 12% of the primary vote, there are two reasons for it. First, the right-wing MSM generally ignore them. Second, the three major parties (Lieberals, Nationals and “Labor”) are more than happy to present unacknowledged, watered-down versions of Green policies as their own. Labor have been doing this for years; now the Lieberals are getting in on the act - Mutton’s statement yesterday about pegging rent increases to the cost-of-living increase has been Greens policy for a long time.
We would be a better democracy with a Labor Party that could work with the Greens in implementing policies which, although they are traditional Labor ones, have been abandoned in Labor’s lurch to the right.
We can only wait and hope: with a little bit of luck, the Labor Party might well need the Greens in coalition if they are to take part in the next government.
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greens have been at 11-12% since the bob brown days, and in that time the primary vote for alp and lnp has been trending downwards
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The Greens political power was in the Senate, but they sometimes misused in blocking Bills in the quest for the perfect.
In the Gillard minority government the balance of power came down to the Independents in the House, with one of the most successful legislations of any Government.
The Greens influence was further eroded with the number of Independents elected to the House and more in the Senate in successive elections. If the Independents manage to keep or gain more Seats this election, the Greens influence in the House and Senate will be further eroded. It won’t count for much in a minority government.
I’d add a third reason. A lot of Greens voters (me included) are climate voters rather than being specifically party-loyal Greens voters. There’s an increasing amount of them, but with the rise of the Teals, the Greens are not the only option for them any more, and Greens voters tend to be more politically involved than average and so are more likely to vote tactically. The Greens lost a lot of first preference votes in some of their traditionally strongest electorates like Kooyong last election, when they ran relatively dead because the Teal had the inside running. We’re talking about swings of 20+% against. The fact that their primary vote held up and even increased despite this is testament to the increasing power of the climate vote.
Not going to happen. Even if the ALP do lose the majority (which I think is looking less likely ) they’ll only lose it by a slim margin and will have quite a selection of lower house crossbenchers to choose from. Of course they’ll still need the Greens in the Senate, but the ALP has made it very clear this term that in general they’d prefer to collaborate with the coalition to get bills through the senate rather than negotiate with the Greens.
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Well Perce, just which foundation principle are you talking about ? When ALP formed in 1891, or in 1921 when it proclaimed the goal of democratic socialisation of all industry, or maybe in 1941 when Curtin admitted defeat on nationalisation of banks lr 1949 with Chifley talked of the “light on the hill”. Or maybe in 1972 when Gough stated his great progressive agenda, or in 1983 when Hawke started a new economy with banking and the wages accord; forty years ago !
The ALP is a different Party to the one I joined in 1971. It is much more pragmatic and less idealistic, and much readier to compromise in order to fulfill the Curtin legacy of building a better society. And Australian is a different Nation, with a majority of Voters who are less radical and more reactive.
The Greens on formation did not differ from this mantra as well, and as we both seem to agree, have some very good policy in wide ranging issues. But they are not building any longer and being more radical is a doubtful approach in a conservative society. The Greens today are lost in their own rhetoric, and they are so far from their foundation principle, not that I expect you to agree.
Actually our argument should be about changing the political system, not so much about policy, as effectively we elect a Federal Government every three years, and they work less than 70% of the time doing their job, as they are constantly campaigning to stay in office.
Yeah, that’s me as well. I see who is the best bet for our environment and vote accordingly. The rest doesn’t matter if we don’t have a liveable planet.
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What option do you think is the best bet for the environment and why?(ie what policy(s) do you think?)
Green/Teal/Trumpet/ON
And of the majors?(ALP/LNP)
ALP and Coalition refugee policies are a disgrace. Greens had more appeal until they lost me in opposing the Malaysian solution.
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For me, Green, Teal (or certain other indies, like Wilkie), ALP, everyone else in that order.
Greens vs teals is a bit of a wash, both sides have their upsides and of course (being independents) no two Teals are identical policy-wise anyway so you can’t accurately generalise.
Personally I’d favour the Greens, partly because they have a track record on other environmental issues that some of the Teals lack, partly because as a party they can bargain from a unified position and are less susceptible to divide-and-conquer tactics, and they can leverage their senate numbers too.
Still, it’s all a bit moot. There’s not likely to be many Greens vs Teals electoral contests any time soon. I think the Greens are mostly running dead in Teal-held seats again, and there’s no realistic Teals challengers in seats the greens hold or are targeting. It doesn’t matter that much which of them gets the 1 vs the 2.
(I know about Kouta. He’s not going to get anywhere against Bandt, just like he didn’t win the Lord Mayor’s gig despite having vast $ thrown at his campaign. Fark Carlton)
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I don’t really know what environmental platform either of them are running on(teals and greens).
I mean the candidates are in those parties because they believe in a better environment(values 
). But I’d like to know what they want to fight for this term(
policy)
Here’s the greens climate/energy policy document, all 60ish pages of it.
Each Teal will be different, of course.