If Labor thought this, then they would not bother at all. This Referendum has snever been about Labor winning seats, it is only about doing what is right and proper, and long over-due.
I am 100% certain about you.
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LNP of course. ALP have history of trying and occasionally succeeding on indigenous issues/landmark moments. To think they see it as a hill to die on politically or to win seats is extremely cynical and ignores history. It’s also just silly which you know I’m sure. I haven’t voted ALP 1 for years but I’ll give them credit for at least showing up for indigenous Australia. The other mob are hideous. You need to bill shorten your posts.
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It’s embarrassing that this vote is even necessary.
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And yet even non-no voters are showing why it is
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… but …
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One of these parties is Stalinist and the other is Trotskyist.
I can’t remember which one is which, but they hate each other and it’s hilarious
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Some real Judean People’s Front/People’s Front of Judea vibes, ehh?
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“Complaining about other communists is one of the most important parts of being a communist.”
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all conservative thought is making things up, then getting mad at them
-edit- also i’ve posted this before but the way to debate morons like that from a position that’s dumber/naive than them to trap them into explaining how they arrived at their view
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Former prime minister Scott Morrison says the book he is writing about his religious faith will be marketed to Christians in Australia, the United States and around the world.
And he’s promised the book, which will be published on May 21, 2024, will be “quite unlike any other book written by a prime minister”.
Wonder if his book will claim that his God smiles upon lying, incompetent pieces of ■■■■?
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The site of the Victorian Women’s Trust has a few articles of substance on the Voice, including the Vid and transcript of the address by Kerry O’Brien and Thomas Mayo on their Voice to Parliament Handbook.
They can be accessed through the search function on the site, key in Voice
Sounds like he has chosen to include the story from Engadine Maccas…
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Jacinta Price and others on their Fair Australia vids are claiming the Yes campaign is a communist plot.
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The audio book is sung to the tune of April Sun In Cuba.
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A sample list of pseudoleft grouplets classifies them among “the usual” expressions of complete irrelevance:
- Sovereign No (7)
- “abolition of the settler-colonial Commonwealth of Capital” (1)
- Critical Neutral (1)
- “Why the voice won’t do anything to end racist injustice” (1)
- Critical Yes (4)
- Critical Yes (“against right-wing NO campaign”) (1)
- Yes (“and Treaty”) (1)
- Strong Yes (1)
I haven’t checked the statements in detail. I’m not aware of any of them having any intention let alone capability to become relevant.
The ABC broadcast him and describes what he said the same way @Tom does. Emphasis added below to confirm that he is supporting multiple agreements with actual groups capable of making agreements, and rejecting the fantasy gesture of a symbolic “reconciliation” treaty with “representatives” of a non-existant single indigenous body, created by a Government that wants to both invent and “reconcile” with it:
Leading No campaigner Warren Mundine has backed a treaty process, claiming it’s more likely to succeed if the No vote is successful.
Mr Mundine, a Bundjalung man, also called for the date of Australia Day to be changed.
Speaking on the ABC’s Insiders program, Mr Mundine said there should be multiple, individual treaties, recognising Aboriginal nations.
“We’ve got to recognise Aboriginal culture, Aboriginal culture is our First Nations and the first thing we learn about life is one nation cannot talk about another nation’s country,” he said.
“Only those traditional owners can talk about those countries so therefore when you talk about a state treaty or a national type treaty it doesn’t make sense in our culture.”
Mr Mundine said achieving that would be more likely without the Voice.
“We don’t need another body of bureaucracy we need to recognise those traditional owners.”
Mr Mundine’s position puts him at odds with much of the conservative No campaign, which has warned against the Voice, saying it would open the door to establishing a treaty.
There are already processes underway across Australia which could lead to state-based and clan-based treaties, notably in Victoria where Aboriginal leaders want treaty negotiations underway by 2024.
Mr Mundine said treaties are needed to resolve issues around sovereignty and give protections to Aboriginal culture and heritage.
“We’re moving very strongly in that position with the land rights acts and the native title acts where Aboriginal people have a major say in what happens on their lands,” he said.
“Through that process, 55 per cent of Australia now is in Aboriginal ownership. We’ll probably get up to 70 or 80 per cent I predict in the next 10 to 20 years.”
Aboriginal people’s land rights are “recognised” over 50 per cent of Australians land mass — not ownership.
A “CheckMate” ABC/RMIT “Fact Check” box in the article links to reminder that this has always been his well known position, which of course is completely incomprehensible to people who are completely oblivious of actual issues and only interested in symbolic gestures to “reconcile” themselves with their fantasies.
In short, his essay argued that rather than establishing a national Voice — as proposed by the referendum — the parliament should establish “local representative bodies for Indigenous communities”.
These bodies could be given the responsibility to “manage … native title lands and waters …, preserve local cultures and languages and advance the welfare of the local Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander people”.
Arguing for the creation of “statutory decentralised representative bodies” rather than a “constitutional centralised national body”, Mr Mundine added:
“The constitution should require the parliament to do this. That would provide true recognition for each of our mobs.”
Much of the essay’s 12 pages focuses on two proposals cited by Uphold & Recognise — one of which was “the insertion into the constitution of a national body to represent Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples”.
“This is a clause that I have publicly opposed and still do,” Mr Mundine wrote.
After detailing what he saw as the risks posed by a national Voice, he argued:
"Local bodies, as opposed to a single national body, would represent recognised ‘peoples’ or ‘nations’, to ensure that they are anchored and accountable to an identifiable group of people; but will not validate the idea of a nation divided between Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australia …
“Logic says that, once local bodies are created, they’ll affiliate in representative state and federal bodies. But, unlike a constitutionally created national body, any state or federal body will be accountable to community through its connection to constituent ‘peoples’ or ‘nations’.”
Well, one sides guy had the other sides guy’s skull smashed in with an ice pick. So no love lost there, lol.
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Yes, I’m pretty sure you are right. The ALP would have thought it was a hill to preen themselves on by scoring a victory against the racist opposition . They were not planning to die on that hill at all.
They will console themselves with consolidating their blindest followers with the idea that Australia is full of stupid racists that only the ALP can keep keep out of government.
But they would much prefer to be able to boast that despite not doing much to actually close the gap, they at least took “a meaningful step in the right direction”.
They were not planning to get treated with the same contempt and derison as John Howard’s “preamble” to the Constitution waffling about:
… honouring Aborigines and Torres Strait Islanders, the nation’s first people, for their deep kinship with their lands and for their ancient and continuing cultures which enrich the life of our country…
The full preamble was intended as a consolation prize for the inevitable defeat of a proposal for Australia’s politicians to choose a new head of State. People would at least acquiesce in some poetry from a poet laureate. Along with the ludicrous pretence at a Republic the separate vote for a preamble was rejected in every State and Territory and with a national total of 60% NO.
BTW we also agree that the other mob (Coalition) are “hideous”.