Australian Politics, Mark II

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Keating still has a way with words

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They should put him on insiders. Still has the zing.

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He should have put that one in Bills pocket for the next debate now that he seems to have improved his timing and delivery.

Imagine if he could have landed that one perfectly on the night!

Bugger.

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Oh I agree with you 100% but there’s no doubt that as a nation, we’ve been singing from Washington’s hymn sheet for far too long RE: China. If we keep doing so, it will be to the detriment of our economic stability and growth.

Looks like Paul Keating agrees

And we’ll continue singing from Washington’s hymn sheet as long as we have the US bases in Australia, to keep the good old right-wing racist Ockers from shaking with fear at the thought of being invaded by the “Yella Peril” or (worse) the little brown folk to the north west of us, Darwin being a lot closer to Batavia Jakarta than it is to Canberra. West Papua got included in Indonesia instead of joining up with PNG because Pig Iron Bob was too frightened to call Jakarta out; nothing has changed since then. All the “spy chiefs” are in Uncle Sam’s pocket — Keating is right about our needing to sack them.

The best foreign policy for Australia would be one of enlightened neutrality — but it would take a committed, courageous government to achieve it.

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Unfortunately not going to happen @percebushby. We’re not a really sovereign nation, merely a client State of the U.S empire.

If we were truly sovereign, Assange would be back in Australia walking freely in the sun.

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At which point he would promptly burst into flames

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Keating is spot on in his comments about accepting the legitimacy of China. At the international level China is mostly playing by the rules, is respecting international institutions and is prepared to cooperate. On the other hand, the US is the great disrupter and does not act as a dialogue partner.
There are significant concerns with China,but it needs to be treated with respect and encouraged that itd best interests would be to move beyond treating its justice system and commercial trading enterprises as entirely subject to the political interests of the State. Australia could have handled Huawei more diplomatically. It has engaged in public megaphone approaches while seemingly refusing to have any dialogue at the bilateral or international level.

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The treatment Huawei are getting from the West is purely to curb the rise of China. It’s blatant. The arguments that they represent a national security threat are laughably feeble.

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Huawei are programmed to infiltrate all Western counties, or so the briefing I saw while I was in the USA by a number of Cyber Security experts.

I believed their data 100%, and they didn’t really like me much when I told them that I didn’t give a Fark if China had a camera in every room of our houses, it would just need to match the American ones.

The whole concept the China is bad and USA is good is so Baby Boomer !

Huawei has undergone more scrutiny than any other information and comm. tech supplier in the world. Several markets, including the UK review its source code by independent security experts. In the 31 years since its founding, no public evidence of wrong doing exists. Your American friends are hilariously hypocritical as the US has a long track record of modifying products to achieve its goals.

This is clearly an attempt to protect U.S interests. Canberra’s decision to ban Huawei and ZTE was purely political and we’ll be paying for that decision in the near future.

There is solid evidence on China’s hacking into many sites in a very sophisticated way through hardware installation. Same goes for what Russia, USA, Nth Korea, India, Israel and others do

You would be stupid just to deny it.

I actually don’t give a Fark who hacks what, but I do believe it can and is done by many Governments.

I was referring to Huawei specifically, not China the State. Yes agree with you 100% States all over the world hack and penetrate into other nations servers. Only a fool would deny that.

China is in transition and needs to demonstrate that its commercial enterptises can operate at arms lengths from the political dictates of the State. There may be valid reasons to have concerns, but Australia has not handled it well.

Fair but Huawei have been operating for over 30 years with no public evidence of wrong doing. As I said in a previous post, the Americans have a long history of modifying products to achieve its goals. Banning of Huawei is basically an attempt to preserve U.S global hegemony.

You have no ■■■■■■■ idea what you’re talking about re Huawei.

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Enlighten me then please. Go on.

Sorry i was a bit harsh. I shouldn’t have responded so aggressively. I’ll respond tonight.