Best list Champion Data

I understand ratings are done over a 2 year cycle but seriously, Collingwood a better list than Essendon…

RICHMOND will need to produce another September boilover to win back-to-back premierships, according to Champion Data, with the AFL’s official number cruncher ranking the club’s list as the ninth-best in the competition.

The Tigers are ranked behind 2016 premiers the Western Bulldogs (No.7) and Hawthorn (No.8) and but they leapfrog both clubs when lists are narrowed to assess the best 22 players, jumping to seventh.

Sydney has the most talented full list as well as the best 22, while Port Adelaide comes in second for overall list strength after an aggressive off-season of recruiting, ahead of losing grand finalist Adelaide (No.3) and Greater Western Sydney (No.4).

Champion Data compares players in the same position and age categories over a number of years to give each a relative rating, which then determines the strength of a club’s list.

The Tigers’ boast three ‘elite’ players in Brownlow medallist Dustin Martin, All Australian defender Alex Rance and Grand Final star Shane Edwards.

They have a further nine in the ‘above average’ category, including captain Trent Cotchin, small forward Dan Butler and midfielder Kane Lambert.

Toby Nankervis, Dion Prestia, Shaun Grigg, David Astbury, Dylan Grimes and Nathan Broad sit in the ‘average’ category, while Kamdyn McIntosh and Jason Castagna were rated ‘below average’.

Grand Final hero Jack Graham (five games) and 2017 bolter Jacob Townsend (37 and nine in the past two seasons) remain unclassified, given their lack of senior football.

While the premiers don’t sit at the top in the talent stakes, defender Nick Vlastuin said the Tigers would build on the game plan that took them all the way and would be inspired to repeat their 2017 heroics.

“It just gives you an extra drive because you know what to expect and you know how good that feeling was after the Grand Final,” Vlastuin said on Tuesday.

“Last year was the first year we had that manic pressure and we were still learning that … we’re just going to consolidate on what we did last year and hopefully it goes all right.”

Sydney boasts an AFL-high 17 players rated either ‘elite’ or ‘above average’, ahead of Port Adelaide, which has 16 players in the top two categories.

Carlton’s list is rated the least talented, while Fremantle has the weakest best 22, with captain Nat Fyfe rated as the club’s only ‘elite’ player.

Nathan Buckley will be attempting to steer Collingwood back into the finals with the 10th-ranked list, but the sixth-strongest best 22, with Essendon (11th overall) experiencing a similar spike to eighth when limited to its best 22.

Why would you release that data?
‘Hey, everyone! Look! We’re completely irrelevant!’

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I’m sorry but when Champion data rank, Shane Edwards and Nat Fyfe, Dustin Martin & Alex Rance in the same category as elite players it demonstrates how little attention one should pay attention to Champion Data’s ranking.

Shane Edwards is a good player, who is capable of playing very good games, but it is ridiculous to rank him in the same category as any of Fyfe, Martin or Rance.


Where was Richmond in Champion Data ranking at the end of 2016? Nowhere. Yet they won the premiership in 2017… So it means nothing really. :slight_smile:

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Well that is enough to convince me.


Even a broken clock … :smirk:

CD over emphasise disposals and other midfielder type stats in arriving at performance measures of individual players , which weights list assessments in favour of sides with good midfielders. Sure, most top 8 clubs have good midfielders, but they dont need to all be elite to win a flag. ( Collingwood and Richmond 2017 case in point ) CD is happy to keep using this methodology, as it allows them to agree with the umpires who vote on the Brownlow.

Sydney can rest snug in their beds knowing they have the best list in the AFL. However, they might care to reflect on why they lost 6 in a row and didnt make it to the Granny last year from 6th even when they had a full list available.

Didn’t we establish in another thread that CD couldn’t deal with the Essendon players who missed 2016 because of their 2 year scale?

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Houli not being Elite got them over the line in 2017.

This data is pretty irrelevant to the prospects of a given team as they assess players relative to their age.

If you take two players: An above average 19 year old midfielder and pit them against an ‘average’ 26 year old midfielder. While the 19 year old has more “talent” I would have my money on the 26 year old to have a bigger impact on a game.

I prefer our club has a low profile.

Think egos get blown up to easily.

And stats don’t mean much if you don’t win games.

That mature Sydney list that smashed our exhausted green bunch was destroyed the week after.

And Port? Pfft.

The scum aren’t that bad either. two words.

North Melbourne.

A little unrelated but not worthy of its own thread, I’m trying to track down some official team sheets of some matches played last season at the MCG. The sheets I require are for round 21 Melbourne vs St Kilda & round 23 Richmond vs St Kilda. The sheets must include the final teams, coaches, umpires, doctors & trainers lists. Asking for a friend (hence the st Kilda games). Anyone who can tell me how to access these digitally or a person who may be able to assist would be much appreciated.

U 25 we’re rated the best list.

Anyone else unable to shake the feeling that the 5-6 sacked members of the 2017 AFL chook lotto review tribunal meat raffle panel have ended up @ Champion data?
“Shane Edwards is elite”
“Collingwood top 6”
“Cotchin average”

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