This is neither the time or the place for this thought of thinking!
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This is a big issue we have, made even worse by the fact that the majority of them are on really long term contracts
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IMO Rutten was out of his depth especially for the Essendon senior gig. There is a lot of issues to dodge on top of the standard coaching stuff. Rutten was drowning and we needed to make the move. The way we went about it (leaving it until end of season, chasing clarko etc) was another problem but it doesnāt cover the fact that Rutten wasnāt fit to coach our side. Many people make good assistant coaches but not a lot can take the senior mantle.
Go back and watch post game pressers in 2022 to see some of the issues he had. Two years is long enough to form a position on a coach. Iām not really a fan of B. Scott but he has worked through a lot of our back of house concerns. He would be great is a role such as āhead of coachesā or maybe back at AFL house.
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ā¦just get through the next 18 mths - play the youth - and identify and develop 3-4 stars. More than anyoneās done in last 20 years
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It wouldnāt have mattered if we had Norm Smith, Clarko, Matthewās or anyone else between 2012-22ā¦ The club was broken, distracted and its culture broken apart by circumstances beyond what the coach could handle or manage. It was a whole of club issue that was the problem. Worsfold, Rutten or anyone else didnāt have a chance. The club wasnāt supporting them and they were set up to fail.
Thsts why things might (I said might) be different this time. A whole of club commitment to rebuild from the ground up. No more quick fixes. Thatās the necessary approach and for the first time in a decade, Essendon actually has a hope of breaking out of its malaise with good management from here.
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Thatās how i feel as well the club,players all seem to be behind this new regime under Brad and co
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Pretty difficult when you donāt give a rats clacker and your hearts not in it. At least Ben tried his hardest to change things, he was jus surrounded by idiots
Iāll never hold that against him, the eagles jerk can go and get farked though
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*Except for the bloke who got stitched up by the AFL.
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Itās somewhat surprising you havenāt been banned more TBHā¦
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And if you quoted my whole post it was 46 players in the last five years which is a complete list. You are living in a fantasy world if you can do anymore over a 5 year period. Now itās a matter of getting more talent onto the list.
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Thereās a difference between āturning over the listā and turning over a big group of players.
Of the team what played the 2021 final, 14 of them are still on the list. So a lot of the core group are unchanged. Until Stringer this year we havenāt really actively traded out a player who had played significant senior games (seems like we wanted to keep Mass and BZT)
A lot of our list changes in recent years have been us simply delisting draftees as soon as their first contract ended, most after not playing a single senior game. It hasnāt been us changing anything materially about the core senior group
Gown
Jok
Ham
Mossie
Eyre
Brand
Lord
McDonagh
Cahill
Johnson
Hibberd
Voss
Davey
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nothing will change until we get rid of the senior players who cant handle an ounce of pressure once the pointy end of the season comes around. And theyre all on long term deals so weāre kind of ā ā ā ā ā ā
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Who are you referring to ?
They need 3-4 phenomenal players to lead them and we just donāt have themā¦ā¦
mcgrath, redman draper etc
Players will do what they have to, in order to get paid.
Not sure I have seen much passion in the Team since Hooker and Hurley retired.
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I donāt think anyone should claim that we have been in the process of a mini-rebuild or rebuild on the run using list turnover numbers as evidence.
- Teams turnover lists normally, we havenāt been that much outside of the norm
- The reason why we have had so much turnover is we have not drafted or developed players to the standards required. Meaning there is more dead weight on the list/more players to cut
- There has been no big names/mature bodies that have been traded out for additional draft picks (Stringer doesnāt count for me on this due to the little return we received).
- Iāve seen no evidence of kids being played ahead of seniors players at AFL level throughout BDBs time. The kids who have played have all earned their position based on VFL form or pre-season training.
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Iāll bite. Rutten.
Other clubs are taking advantage of Free Agency, by actively letting players leaveā¦. So they can get a first round pick.
Weāve had multiple opportunities to do this, and chose not to.
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