Climate Change in Australia (Part 2)

That’s more a point in my favour.

Agriculture will be easier, if we mitigate our impact on climate change.

Yes I remember fondly the time when mass consumerism ended

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Sure thing.

Never said it ended.

Dude, it’s entertaining in a kind of ‘I’ve got nothing better to do while there’s lightning’ but if you‘re getting hokey with your language as well as your comprehension I’m out pardner

No it won’t. Fossil fuels are the only reason agriculture has been able scale to deal with world hunger.

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This is a cry for help

What about my above statement is false?

Energy is energy. It works the same regardless of source. Though the sources have different costs. One of which we’re discussing now.

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How about scale and reliability? Big problems to solves. Fossil fuels are pretty good at that.

To paraphrase um, you, I don’t care about your statements/feelings/opinions, it’s just a bit plain that you’re egging it to get responses now. Footy’s back on, gotta go.

I certainly don’t give a ■■■■ about your opinions or perspective.

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Yeah there are going to be problems to solve. And those solutions will cause other problems. That’s human history. Happy to admit that. I’m pragmatic on what the transition energy mix needs to be.

Not going to deny other problems exist though.

I am not a scientist as such. I do have a self funded uni degree, I do analyze data a lot, & I like to think I am very logical. Certainly I am paid a lot of money for my services & opinions over several decades.

What I do see is that the very people lecturing me in the media, are also very rich, & are also the people that control the media.

When I read & watch other scientists indicate & show why CO2 is NOT the reason for climate warming via unconventional media outlets, I start digging & remain skeptical.

When there is a large scale OPEN debate of all scientists, that is not in a control environment, with pre-determined questions, answers & outcomes already scripted … I’ll start listening harder.

Until then I will remain a skeptic, & I ain’t changing just because some light weight(s) call me names, & attempt to bully me into submission. You & several other never have, and I particularly respect & weight your opinions highly. The other morons however, you know who you are, nah … :slight_smile:

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Well i’m in good company with NASA then. Seriously, the Hawks are having a crack in big wet. Funny weather or wot!?

He thinks we should & is prepared to name call to make it happen … am trembling with fear

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It’s ok, I can picture just how sad and lonely they are.

Got banned for 2 weeks for saying the truth about a certain poster … so hardly running away, more like a holiday

sorry, maybe you should turn your computer off & do something else

Generation

Region Black Coal Brown Coal Gas Liquid Fuel Other Hydro Wind Large Solar Small Solar Battery Storage Total
Queensland 5,926 981 0 0 86 153 532 818 27 8,523
New South Wales 6,214 0 0 41 579 263 664 1,191 140 9,092
Victoria 4,098 0 0 136 678 14 112 218 5,256
South Australia 175 0 0 1,264 226 396 99 2,160
Tasmania 0 0 1,379 182 17 1,577
Western Australia 376 488 0 9 142 0 1,475 2,489
Total 12,516 4,098 1,644 0 50 2,180 2,681 1,435 4,009 484 29,097

Current generation profile on a pretty cloudy Melbourne day at 6pm.

This is the picture that the “unreliable renewables” types bang on about. Thing is, there’s a few things happening here that are worth paying attention to for how the grid will work perfectly fine in the future.

Tasmanian hydro is ticking along strongly. Once Marinus link is built and combines with Basslink, Victoria will be able to tap into 2,250MW of hydro. Combined with existing Victorian hydro gets to around 2,400MW. This will be recharged during the day from excess solar or high wind.

Wind is sitting close to 700MW, which is a fairly low output compared to normal days. That can easily be scaled up to 3-4x over the coming decade and made more reliable by spreading the farms over the entirety of the state. We will be in a position to export to other states on high wind days, or import from them if the wind is happening elsewhere. But let’s go with a conservative 1,600MW from Victorian wind on a poor day in 2030.

We are now up to 4,000MW of generation for a 5,200MW demand.

Batteries are currently kicking in 200MW. That’s being scaled up currently and should be around 1,000MW by 2030. Charged by excess solar during the day. But let’s call it 400MW to be pessimistic.

4,400MW of generation.

And finally we have 1,700MW of gas generation in Victoria. None of that is being used currently, but it can turn on or off in minutes.

And we’ll ignore solar completely.

So what we will easily have, on a mild wind day like this, is 6,100MW of generation to service a 5,200MW demand. That’s only importing hydro from Tasmania, not relying on any excess wind from NSW or SA which will be often available.

And none of that needed a coal power plant.

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