A sense of personal outrage and that ones behaviours might be being called into question, short term feelings of validation from sticking it to the straw man. Tempting to most mortals, just more so for some than others. Also just stupidity. A few years of shocking drought and an increase in the price of meat might sort it out.
still waiting for some kind of reply to what I thought were - at least for me - pretty reasonable and tempered questions
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Well we had the big drought in Victoria around 2006 to 2010 and then all the rain last year; which really did affect prices of food and many other things, but the denialists still persist. Yep, i mean you, @Bomber1408
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Denialist.
Mmmm, well I agree, human induced CO2 causes some warming. I agree we should work logically towards the replacement of fossil fuels in an orderly & effective manner.
I just donât align with the amount of that warming because I donât think CO2 is the only cause of warming and cooling. I also think the rush to replace fossil fuels with intermittent solutions is crazy stuff.
So tell me, just because I think the whole issue is grossly exaggerated, that the rush to implement flawed solutions is imbecilic, that worshipping a 16 yo every word is the stuff usually reserved for fairy tales âŚ. how exactly does that make me a denialist exactlyâŚâŚ cause I disagree with the excessive solutions? WowâŚno debate accepted is there.
But now we know what you are, donât we
Time will tell allâŚmeanwhile its lunch time in the Otways and we have the heater on cause its 14 degrees. Oh thats right its not global warming anymore, its climate change so we can blame all whether extremes on CO2, even cold days giggle âŚ. No wait its now climate emergency âŚâŚ bah bah sheeple
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This is what makes you a denialist.
Itâs very silly, and you keep coming back to it.
Youâre like a Christian telling an atheist that they bow down and worship the periodic table and say prayers to Darwin, which is missing the point, weirdly and disturbingly wrong, and says far more about the person saying it than the person itâs said about.
Also, you know, nobody is saying you worship one particular skeptic, of which there are plenty more extreme than Thunberg.
Because we recognise how very silly that would be.
Edit: you won me back with sheeple, though.
I automatically respect anyone who uses that word, theyâre always very stable geniuses.
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You guys just keep believing the dribble you are feed by the MSM and the self serving politicians, whilst screaming at the rich, and Iâll keep listening to other experts.
I will also add that I have planted 4,500 native trees on my farm âŚâŚ so probably acted to minimise my CO2 footprint a lot more than you and most other cultists.
Have a good weekend 
Dude. Have any of us heavily referred to a traditional newspaper masthead or tv network in this debate? No, because the coverage in the media is generally low quality. Science journalism is horribly bad these days.
Have any of us used politicians as our main source of truth? Of course not. This is Australia, we reluctantly tolerate our politicians at best.
But Iâm assuming you think the IPCC is a corrupted political something something.
You donât know what the difference between weather and climate is and you run away from conversations that you donât understand
I donât know why you think anyone would take you seriously
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Looking forward to the next genuine question that will totally not end in insults and running away without speaking about the responses given.
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I donât know why the idea of human made climate change would make anyone so angry. Itâs not a culture war (its science) itâs not subjective. Youâre just wrong if you deny it. So just accept it and move on instead working yourself up about it. Waste of time and emotion.
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You prove my point, which was really that real scientists do not deny climate change or global warming but have differing views on outcomes. Well done for planting all those trees, and the Otways is a beautiful place to visit, but I could never live there as it is too cold.
While I think young Greta (who is now 20 ) , is a passionate and strong advocate for the future of our planet, I am not in any cult that worships her. I am in two cults; EGC and Tesla.
Global warming is just one aspect of climate change, and there is enough written here and generally on its causes; which is predominately the rise of CO2 and other pollutants due to man. Most comes from fossil fuels, and nobody can deny that.
I am not and never have been a Greenie; we have solar panels on the roof, I drive an EV, but for me it is an economic decision, and my Tesla drives like a rocket which is fun. I recognise the difficulties of transitioning to renewable energy, with job losses and problems maybe for industry, and Labor Governments across or Nation have plans in places (and a Liberal one in NSW), not quick enough for some, but workable in my view.
I am sure you are not as stupid or intransigent as you make out, and you like the responses you get. No longer is concern and action on our environment a Left/Right political issue; it is an issue that we decide the type of future Mankind will have long after I am dead.
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Great point.
I would have thought that knowing why is a great basis for fixing it.
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The safeguard measures being introduced will have an interesting effect. Initially carbon credits are going to become the go to mitigation. That will drive up the price of high quality offsets, funding some good environmental projects.
Once the price of offsets becomes too onerous, the capital costs for efficiency capital projects will become no brainer decisions. That will result in major electrification of industry, moving away from direct coal and gas use.
This phase will also put financial pressure on the gas peaking market. Short term batteries and longer term hydro or compressed air will become increasingly competitive. Renewables that produce power at different times will become viable, such as offshore wind. Thatâll progressively create a night time reliable capacity that doesnât rely on gas.
Iâve heard a 5% annual target set for the major polluters. Thatâs a big challenge, it would have been ideal to have a longer runway for this. Some companies will manage this and become dominant players in the post carbon world. Others will fail to adjust and go down with the carbon ship. The path is clear, companies have warning, future is in their hands.
For residents, itâs time to do research. What does your gas bill and petrol bill currently cost? What electric heating and transport options are there? What financially makes sense? Is there government interest free loans you can use to set yourself up to save money over the long term? At what cost point does an EV save your household $$$? Do you need to wait for a 2nd hand market to develop?
Or itâll provide an incentive to certify loads of new dodgy offsets, or ignore the fact that so many existing offsets are shonky as hell.
Iâm deeply skeptical of the whole offset program and of the willingness of the govt to genuinely address the issues there.
Had a talk this week from some superannuation firms about how they manage their fossil fuel investments. They need fossil fuel heavy companies to be credible and active, as the investors into the fund campaign aggressively. These arenât green investment funds, they are general funds that are incorporating carbon as a long term investment risk to be managed.
What they generally look for is a solid plan to get out of coal at a sensible, but urgent rate. Offsets arenât ideal, but if used they need to be credible. Private industry needs to do due diligence to make sure they arenât junk. Relying on offsets will be a massive red flag from investors, so if you canât back up the story you will be crucified.
Companies transitioning away from fossil fuels need a strong story to tell the market. If they arenât believable, then investment firms will shift away to those with lower climate risk. Share prices of firms that are lying or dragging their feet will fall.
My company is a hybrid that is aggressively building a renewable portfolio. Presenting that upside to the market is one of the most important priorities. If we get a black reputation on this issue, it could result in the long term failure of the business as access to capital for green assets would dry up while fossil fuel assets would become orphaned and worthless.
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ACCC has also taken its first action against, and flagged warnings for, corporate greenwashing with big fines and undertakings on the table for breaches
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I guarantee that no-one who got poor marks in hard sciencey subjects has become a career scientist.
Much less those who - at least back in my day - were too dumb to do hard sciencey subjects and thus were funnelled into accounting/economy subjects so they could pass high school.
So those dumb kids got into what are now the high paying jobs. Good for them. But look what has happened to the country and its economy and general place in the world since those days, when the dumb kids graduated and got to running the government and businesses.
Both the smart kids and the dumb kids were streamed into the wrong subjects.
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Great post. Iâm a teacher and this happens all the time
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