COVID-19 - Round 4 - diseaseologists welcomed

[stander2]

The bouncers were apparently given 5 minutes training by the adjoining car park manager.

[frosty]

The other piece is if every child who was a close contact in class is getting tested. I know they’re being recommended but we don’t know if it’s actually happening. They’re asked to self isolate, “and get tested if you have symptoms or are concerned”, but how many who show stuff all symptoms are getting tested? I think that puts a further time lag to tracing them, as it takes an adult to get sick connected to them before they trace it back.

[frosty]

@choppsuey

@frosty

I know you like to suggest that student to student transmission is impossible , but we all know that such a declaration would be ignoring all of the unknowns. So let’s just go with “low risk”.

I’ve literally never said it’s impossible. Not even once. I’ve only ever said it’s extremely unlikely due to a number of factors, some circumstantial and others physiological.

Maybe I should sticky this into every single post I make for those who didn’t read it the first, second or 15th time…

Yes, I agree you’ve never said that. Apologies.

[Allblack]

[JuzzyB]

Without having to scroll back up and read everything… can anybody summarise what it is that Victoria are doing wrong that other states are not?

[brunz]

Using under trained, contracted security for hotel quarantine instead of ADF/Military is the big one.

[frosty]

A couple of security guards stuffed up, and once it got out of the bubble it spread extensively before we realised, now we’re trying to reel it back in.

It’s like South Korea and nightclubs.

[choppsuey]

@JuzzyB

Without having to scroll back up and read everything… can anybody summarise what it is that Victoria are doing wrong that other states are not?

More high risk international arrivals requiring quarantine than other states.

stupid hotel security.

selfish fuckwits in the community who refuse to get tested and/or isolate when required.

[Aceman]

@choppsuey

More high risk international arrivals than other states.

But that shouldn’t matter as long as quarantine procedures are followed correctly.

[frosty]

@stander2

@Albert_Thurgood

@brunz

There’s still no valid reason why the state govt didn’t use ADF that have worked fine in all other states.

There is if ScuMo was going to charge Vic millions extra than for what NSW paid for ADF help.

Haven’t heard that one, do you have any sort of link to that?

Might be as simple as the appropriately trained ADF are based in Bris/Syd/Adel/WA.

Melbourne it’s pretty light on for ADF who aren’t driving a desk somewhere, so the deployment costs for the right people may have been exorbitant.

[RedandBlackPartisan]

Devils’ number: 87

[brunz]

@frosty

Might be as simple as the appropriately trained ADF are based in Bris/Syd/Adel/WA.

Melbourne it’s pretty light on for ADF who aren’t driving a desk somewhere, so the deployment costs for the right people may have been exorbitant.

While possible just seems a bit unbelievable to me that every state would have affordable access to them except VIC.

[choppsuey]

@Aceman

But that shouldn’t matter as long as quarantine procedures are followed correctly.

Yes but the more you have the greater the risks and probability of a breakdown in procedure. If we had 50 people in hotel quarantine across the city instead of say 300 (I don’t know the actual number but it’s obviously significant) I doubt this would’ve happened.

[choppsuey]

@RedandBlackPartisan

Devils’ number: 87

Nelson.
111

[Albert_Thurgood]

@stander2

@Albert_Thurgood

@brunz

There’s still no valid reason why the state govt didn’t use ADF that have worked fine in all other states.

There is if ScuMo was going to charge Vic millions extra than for what NSW paid for ADF help.

Haven’t heard that one, do you have any sort of link to that?

It was widely discussed in here a few days ago.

[Preliminary_Point2]

You dont have to believe the other states. Its easy for their politicians to say anything as they dont have any cases. They may not have 100% ADF forces as security.

[Blummers32]

@Aceman

Seems to be a huge discrepancy in how long test results are taking, some are saying in as little as 1-2hrs whilst other are saying 5-6 days. Obviously some places are more under the pump than others but isn’t there a way to send some tests to centres that have lighter loads or is it just too hard?

That 1-2hr wait is highly suspect.
I thought the samples have to go to a lab for results. There’s no mobile tests available and I thought the Americans are the only ones with the rapid tests and their accuracy is very suspect (although they are beautiful).
The 5-6 days would be the ones we’re sending interstate to help with results.
The majority of the results should be around 4 days.

[frosty]

@brunz

@frosty

Might be as simple as the appropriately trained ADF are based in Bris/Syd/Adel/WA.

Melbourne it’s pretty light on for ADF who aren’t driving a desk somewhere, so the deployment costs for the right people may have been exorbitant.

While possible just seems a bit unbelievable to me that every state would have affordable access to them except VIC.

ADF also were minimising movement of staff so maybe didn’t want to add risk to their people.

ADF are all pointed North and West. There are large bases in all of those other cities. Melbourne has far far less active military members.