COVID-19 - Round 5 - Should've stayed the F**K home

[Allblack]

A good vaccine could result weed the anti vaxxers out. Could be a societal win.

[choppsuey]

they’re not appropriately socially distanced. So like all other things, the cat is ■■■■ at that as well.

[Albert_Thurgood]

@Gnik

@SMJ

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.amp.html

I’ve posted this before but it’s really useful for updates.

The Oxford one is one of the vaccines featured. The UQ one also is analysed too.

According to the article I posted above, a successful vaccine will need to do more than provide antibodies as this provides maybe three months immunity.

I forgot to write in my reply to @smj above (though I have done so previously) that a vaccine that provokes a killer T cell response is likely to be more effective - the UQ one will not do that.

[SMJ]

And which ones currently in development will do that?

[Hoffy]

Trudy McIntosh (TrudyMcIntosh)

[GuzzLG]

Just death catching up.

[BakerWasAStar]

I’ve read that the reason why some people who have had COVID-19 (typically asymptomatic) and recovered, but show no anti-bodies, is because it was the T-Cells providing immunity.

Is this correct? Are you able to shed further light?

[Klawdy]

@Albert_Thurgood

It’s hard to judge because all we see is puff pieces in the media. The potential weak point of their strategy is to use a single protein from the virus rather than whole inactivated virus. So if the response to the spike protein is not sufficient for protection, or the virus mutates (which it already has done) and the mutant form changes the epitopes (the structures that antibodies binds to) then it may not be effective

Dammit! You beat me to it.

[Albert_Thurgood]

@BakerWasAStar

I’ve read that the reason why some people who have had COVID-19 (typically asymptomatic) and recovered, but show no anti-bodies, is because it was the T-Cells providing immunity.

Is this correct? Are you able to shed further light?

I think it’s just guesswork - same as I am inferring. There are no published reports on anti-covid cytolytic (“killer”) T cells, just some theoretical articles about what such CTL could react with in covid infected cells.

[Humble_NSW_Fan]

Keep an eye on New South Wuhan. As I have been saying, we are not following the rules up here. Just need a few sparks, a couple of outbreaks, and we’ll beat Danistan.

If Gladys is wearing a Northface Jacket today, I’m going to be very concerned.

[Klawdy]

@BakerWasAStar

In the meantime, I read we have had 175 suicides in just Victoria this year so far - way higher than the national death toll from COVID-19.

Not sure what this comparison is for. In 2018 there were 593 suicides in Victoria.

[benfti]

Sutton did say it would get worse before it got better

[Albert_Thurgood]

@SMJ

And which ones currently in development will do that?

I just went through the informative NYT article you posted. (I will repost this in the facts thread if you don’t).

This news may dismay the China-phobes out there.

The best three candidates for this are all developed in China. By cross-referencing the company names with the authors, I found that I described one of these here back in the original covid thread. I said at the time this was a great candidate. This vaccine provided complete immunity in animal models including macaques. This vaccine is now in Phase III trials according to NYT.

All the other vaccine candidates listed there are being produced using methods that allow faster development that is good for media releases and share prices.

[Allblack]

It will fit the narrative for a lot of Chinaphobes

[RM_7]

Numbers out yet boys?

[choppsuey]

Just waiting on Andrews.

[GiventoFly74]

I’m hearing under 200

[Hoffy]

Nope, waiting…

[Allblack]

He’s just putting his votes in for the Nobby. Gave 3 to Zaka

[Hoffy]

And he is trying to talk to Gil about Dyl.