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What you’re trying to keep private is for example authentication on your bank accounts, transactions etc.

most peoples friends, employers know your name, birthday , where you live etc. have done so a LONG time before better computing technology could deduce it.

And the above can be kept secure. But it’s a bunch of work to do so.

and yes there’s always the threat that there’s some way to exploit systems to gain access. And AI will work faster than some hackers doing tasks or as a tool for assisted hacking.

As for real intelligence, I dunno AI is making movies, music, graphic design etc at a level much higher than I could. It can when instructed program a computer light years faster than me.

But anyway that’s beside the point - there still is a need - and even greater need to govern A.I. data access. A lot of business use A.I. internally now and the only way they do that is to first secure data in their organisation.

If you don’t then yeah sensitive information will get into the wrong hands.

But that’s a prerequisite before people will pay for A.I. they need to trust it.

So yeah I see what your saying, but dependent on its application its in the company that builds sells and trains the A.I. commercial interest to make it secureable/governable.

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That’s a very strange response.

Just because privacy has been eroded in many areas, that doesn’t mean we should be happy with it being eroded further. Are people reading their terms of use for their connected vehicles. Do they expect their vehicle companies to have a comprehensive record of everywhere they travel, including video footage?

Do you think your car needs to record that data to do its job? Including when you are not using the Sat Nav?

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Didn’t say I was happy with it, but it is a fact of modern life.

You can try and cut yourself off but good luck with that as without a digital presence you cannot use many services. Perhaps you can cash out all your assets, put it in a tin in the backyard and then try to find places that accept cash. Forget owning a car as cameras track where it goes, where it parks and how you drive,

The good news is though, Trump and his other Rightwing Nutjobs will start their nuclear war and any survivors will be back in the Stone Age without any digital worries at all.

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I agree we should expect a level of privacy, and protect it as long as we can. I also agree with earlier comments that it is incumbent upon companies offering us a service, to keep our information private.

There already are many cases of potential access to our data that we trust is kept secure.

For example, any modern phone is always listening for ‘hey Siri’ or ‘hey Google/OK Google’ before listening in to us. But in order to hear those initiating words, they are actually listening in to us the entire time. Many people believe Google is listening in to us illegally and targeting things we’ve talked about in the presence of our phones. I’m one that doesn’t believe this is the case, as I’ve seen the results of many independent comprehensive tests run on this behaviour. However, Google is very, very good at using all the data it does have access to, from searches and web history, and that of our household members, to make intelligent guesses as to what we’re interested in buying. Sometimes guessing before we’ve even realised we’re going to be interested.

We give trust to platforms to keep our information private, or sometimes we give that right away when we miss fine print, or intentionally in order to get what we want from a service.

But data breaches happen, and will happen more often with AI tools.

In the case of connected vehicles, BYD, for example, collects a lot of personal data on all its drivers, but due to Australian law, all that data must be stored on Australian based servers. I imagine this is the case with many other brands, whether the cars are EVs or ICE vehicles.

For Tesla, your car’s cameras double up as a security detection and recording system, that notifies the user of someone potentially trying to damage or steal your car, and keeps footage you can access and hand over to police if needed. Laws, and self-interest, prevent Tesla from keeping or using that footage for nefarious purposes.

When Tesla runs your driving footage through a neural network, along with thousands of other users, the network learns how it should react to varying inputs and refines its response to real world data, to improve self drive. This footage isn’t designed to be kept or used against you. It’s used to train a model, for the benefit of all Tesla users, or at least, all subscribing ones, to improve FSD. After the data is used for training purposes, we trust them to discard it. And laws protect us from their failure to do so if they don’t.

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I agree with everything until the last sentence.

No one checks if AI using companies only use the data for the intended purpose.

Like most data breaches, it’s discovered after the breach event.

Personally, as I have mentioned before in another thread, I’ve been a victim of about 10 different data breaches over the last 10 years.

I was / am more concerned about my credit card and health information details being exposed from the above breaches, compared to what could possibly be exposed via Tesla AI.

And iPhones do listen to conversations.

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the source doesn’t really matter if it ends up at big capital finance ultimately. idk why people still get ancestry test kits after blackstone bought it

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Can easily see blackstone sharing the test kit dna data with one of their offshoots for profiling or other nefarious reasons.

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If anything, Google/Android is the one that looks guiltier, and many people anecdotally believe this to be true, but you need to prove it with more than individual anecdotes.

I’ve seen the results of several media outlets and independent tests, where they expected to prove this was the case, but proved the opposite, so…

Data breaches will happen. But totally aside from breaches, AI is proving to be capable of deceptive behaviour, and is rapidly proceeding well beyond its makers ability to understand or control. So what faith can you truly have that it is playing by the rules we create, even today. Much less in a few years time?

I’m highly doubtful that humans will remain in control of neural networks without errors and significant backtracks in future.

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Is that an EV or diesel powered?

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2239

Back on cars.

I’d like a little Honda Super One as a run about when they bring them out.

finally sounds like a fun EV.

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I have seen the movie and the good guys win in the end

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2241

Only with time travel and using their tech against them

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All I can provide is anecdotal evidence.

Topics in discussions with friends then appear in my ads within a day.

Some would suggest that I only notice these ads given I had the conversation recently.“hey I discussed this yesterday”, my phone must be listening.

The ads are like nothing I’ve had before.

As I said anecdotal.

As for AI and negative behaviors it exhibits. A lot of that relates to the widely used AI public services used to serve up the crap for the masses.

It is harder to determine the negatives of Closed AI, as I classify Tesla AI.

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Depends on which bubble universe you are in.

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Have you looked at or driven a second hand BMW i3? I completely understand if you hate the look of it, or love the look of the Honda. But for light weight, premium recycled materials, power, etc. the BMW is a bit ahead in most stats, but similar in size. Also rear wheel drive and super tight turning circle.

It’s my new daily driver, and it’s just fun to drive. It was too expensive new, because it was over-engineered. But it makes a much more compelling argument as a second hand vehicle.

I’d happily meet up and take you for a spin sometime, if you wanted to see what it’s like in person. They aren’t the most common cars around.

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Should I buy a car with a battery (aka Nissan leaf) or a standard home battery - after having made the decision to install solar panels?

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Thinking of WarGames from 1983

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I’d drive a leaf before you decide to buy one. For me they’re not all that inspiring. They’re one of the few cars that can do V2H currently though.

I’d be buying some sort of home battery to go with the system though. I have 3 adult kids and one boyfriend (not mine) living at home in a big house, running all electric. I bought a large SigEnergy battery and inverter, from a good installer, who’s not the cheapest. But it’s powering the house, the pool heater in Summer, and charging the one EV.

If you have any home battery system, you can join a VPP (Virtual Private Power) network, and potentially save a small fortune. I already had 9.25kW solar panels installed nearly 5 years ago, and they paid themselves off in around 4 years. I’ve now had the solar expanded to 15kW, and added a 48kW battery and a 10kW single phase inverter. It already looks like I’ll have it paid off in under 4 years.

If I’d bought a Fox ESS unit, installed by an OK, but competitively priced installer, I could probably have it paid off in closer to 18 months. And that’s just the battery paying off its installation cost with savings in power. I’m also saving in car running costs with cheap to free power for the EV. Which I’m not counting toward paying the home battery off.

If you buy a reasonable brand home battery, you’ll be able to buy a fast DC charger down the track that allows V2H once it’s approved by government agencies, and vehicle manufacturers are producing cars that transfer both ways reasonably quickly.

I considered buying the SigEnergy 22kW DC bidirectional charger for mine, but I’d have had to remove one battery and go down to 40kW. I chose to install the 7kW AC charger for now, and revisit it in 2-3 years when I buy a car that works well with the system. By that time, I’ll have that extra battery paid off, and the price of the DC charger will have dropped further. It started at $10K a year or more ago, and is currently around $4.5K. It will only get cheaper.

Size your solar and battery to optimise your usage, and join the right VPP for your use, and you’ll have all the benefits of the home battery and have it paid off fast.

For me, at the moment, GloBird makes the most sense. Many users will be able to take their power bills all the way down to a little below zero each month. If anyone decides to join them, ask me for a code and we both save $50 off our bills.

If you want to fully charge your car and battery every night, and burn pretty much as much power as you like, or charge more than one EV, OVO is probably the best option, with power between midnight and 6am, at a few cents per kWH.

Anyway, buy the battery now. It’s worth it just to join a VPP. Even if you had virtually no solar. Even better if you have plenty.

Buy the car you want, down the track, when it makes most sense to you, and when it’s all legal and you can properly calculate the costings.

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EV driver mistakes Tesla for a 1970’s James Bond Lotus

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