Send them all back to Anglo-Saxon times and northern Germany you think? Might be a job doing that.
Mind you as a Celt by blood I’d be OK with it 
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It’s nervy here, no question.
The police in the face of these dire incidents have been excellent. And ffs, its Plymouth being targeted this evening. But the idea this uprising or what Elon Musk is suggesting, i.e a “civil war” will rupture this country are wrong. But hey, welcome to 2024 and the freedom these opportunist rent a crowd likes wreaking havoc and looking for a ruck enjoy. And make no mistake, many of these “rioters” are.
Sure there’s resentment and anger. The UK is always challenged as its ethnic mix continues to change whilst providing safe harbour to refugees and immigrants. And thats a big topic I know. Yet a number of countries like Germany and France recently have and endure likewise. For the UK, since the 60s and before its been a topic.These riots are much orchestrated by the hard right and EDL Tommy Robinsons’ of this world, sitting offshore in Cyprus last I heard. And with dog whistle politicians like Farage egging them on what do you expect.
Overeact and it’ll go off completely. But the police, surveillance bods, MI5 and special forces as well as Starmer lining up the Courts to prosecute en-masse are in train.
It’ll pass. Or I sincerely hope it does.
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Also, the positives of the counter protests and some hotels offering safe spaces for the asylum seekers threatened in their current quarters.
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Not those black and Asian nouveau-riches who gravitated to the top of the Tories over the last two decades though.
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I blame it on the Irish and the emancipation of the Catholics.
And the repeal of the Combination Acts.
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Boadicea for mine. If she’d just conceded to the Romans, no more problems.
Every time I watch a King Alfred or a Vikings show, I just think…if only they’d killed all the Christian “missionaries”.
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Good people don’t make tweets like that in the first place.
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Sorry, not riot related but this is a pretty good overview of the Labour Governments plans.
Is the big state back in Britain?
The risk is not too much interventionism, but too little audacity
Illustration: Nate Kitch
Aug 1st 2024
The Labour Party’s first month in power has given scaremongers plenty to work with. Britain’s new government has begun to unveil what looks to be the most interventionist economic agenda the country has seen in the past 50 years. Railways are to be re-nationalised. An activist state is spending billions on industrial policy and setting up a new energy behemoth. Teachers and doctors will receive big pay increases. A workers’ rights agenda is to come—as are, almost certainly, increases in taxes on capital gains.
Tilt the lens slightly, though, and this programme appears less alarming. Labour’s enthusiasm for industrial policy is never going to be something that The Economist shares. But the details differ from the slogans. Behind the statist rhetoric, Labour’s actions so far amount to a fairly orthodox agenda of supply-side economic reform. Indeed, if anything, the big risk to the mission of boosting growth is not Labour’s headstrong interventionism, but its lack of audacity.
Look first at what the government does, rather than what it says. GB Energy, a new publicly owned entity, was first billed as a state-run energy supplier. But what Labour has set up is closer to a regulatory concierge; its initial focus is on shepherding offshore-wind projects through onerous approval processes before selling them on to private developers. A new National Wealth Fund (NWF), designed to catalyse private funding in green industries, is to be run at arm’s length from government by City financiers. Taking charge of the railways is, in some ways, a formalisation of existing arrangements, after the state bailed out train operators during the covid-19 pandemic.
Britain’s frail public services need better funding; those pay increases were recommended by independent bodies and match gains made by workers in the private sector. And the government’s early steps on the planning system—approving solar farms, lifting England’s onshore-wind ban, making housing targets binding and signalling a willingness to build on the green belt—have all been encouraging.
Chart: The Economist
Opportunities will certainly arise to boost interventionism. Ed Miliband, the energy secretary, seems keen that GB Energy should eventually own and operate wind farms and other ventures. The steel industry, which governments of all stripes have propped up in defiance of economic logic, features heavily in the NWF’s mandate. If not carefully drafted, Labour’s planned employment law risks gumming up Britain’s labour market. It was only in February that Labour dropped its commitment to a colossal £28bn ($36bn; 1.2% of GDP) in annual green spending: what might it do if it had the cash?
Despite that fear, the evidence so far suggests the risk is not that Labour is too red, but too timid. “Treasury brain”, the finance ministry’s penny-pinching scepticism about plans for long-term spending, beats big-state mania but it is hardly a recipe for productivity growth. Rachel Reeves’s first fiscal announcements as chancellor on July 29th suggest that she has a nasty case of the disease. “If we cannot afford it, we cannot do it,” she has repeated, inverting John Maynard Keynes’s dictum that “anything we can do, we can afford”.
To help fill a hole in this year’s public finances, she cut nearly £800m-worth of transport investment, including projects that have languished for years in planning purgatory—a strange signal for a politician who, in opposition, decried stop-go capital investment. Her search for new savings risks more raids on capital budgets in the National Health Service, where the cumulative cost of the efficiency-wrecking maintenance backlog was already projected to exceed £15bn by 2028.
Labour has shown no appetite for difficult-but-vital reforms like rationalising Britain’s growth-choking property taxes. On Brexit, the country’s single biggest productivity headache, the mood music with Europe is better than it was under the previous Tory government, but incrementalism still reigns. On planning, the real test of Labour’s mettle will be whether it can shift to a more rules-based system; on devolution, it will be how much control and cash it gives up to local authorities.
Stability and orthodoxy make for a much more appealing economic pitch than unfettered dirigisme. But it is not a million miles from the promises of Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt, who took over after the chaos of Liz Truss’s government. A serious agenda for growth needs more than an iron chancellor: it also requires changes to the way the government thinks about transport, housing, taxation, Europe and more. The real danger is that Labour does too little, not too much. ■
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Will Starmer take on Elon Musk for the vile lies circulating on X?
He is allowing X to be used as a vehicle for hate speech against Blacks in particular, often conflating Blacks and Islam. It’s inciting violence.
Why can’t Musk be sued under UK anti discrimination laws?
The Europe Invasion X former twitter account is shocking.
Yet the account of the Australian Conservation Foundation was suspended for no apparent reason.
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The better people, the more empathetic members of this multi faceted UK society stand up and say not to fascism and the anti-immigration mobs. Talk of over 100 riots earlier and a cat and mouse game on social media persists … but the feared carnage didn’t happen…
A still dangerous period for all, but the groups who say no more to these mobs, forming human shields with the police lines. And the courts start flinging them into the clink.
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After spending a bit of time reading this thread, the US politics and Australian Politics thread, I have deduced that the world is farked.
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Not the world, but the American Empire.
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It’s probably in better shape than the Russian empire 
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No, the world. The World is farked. It’s like Dodoro has been in charge for the past 20 years.
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Same but different outcome.
I have deduced that politics and perhaps the economy in Australia is not that bad.
What a patriot.
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Politics is farked everywhere, and the Australian economy is only good for the wealthy.
I do not actually think you can blame any Government or Party either, it is the economic system, where inflation is fostered by those with money as it makes them more money and democracy and capitalism just make it a never ending story.
House prices are ridiculous and rents are obscene. Power costs are crazy and food prices are ever expanding.
So until Voters conclude that perhaps a more controlled economy with State ownership of the resources, services, health, education etc are a good thing, and that the wealthy pay their share of tax, then nothing will change.
And @percebushby will rant that Labor has lost its soul etc etc, but until the Voters want change, none will happen.
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join the accelerationist movement clone, i’ve saved a seat for you
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Facebook poster jailed for inciting hatred, judge noting that the posts were repeated by thousands without any blocking by Facebook.
Maybe the law needs to catch up in regard to the social medium provider.
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