Former #36 Jayden Davey

He was sinking ■■■■ with stringer while eating pork chops with apple sauce!

I’m guessing the wce of 1990-1995 were just an anomoly aswell then

:rofl::rofl: ned

Number 1 thing the best teams look for in players is competitiveness. We have very few of those on the list.

Let’s compare Pickett to the Davies. All are physically similar, except Pickett is aggressive and hates losing the contest. Both the Davies are timid.

I know fans want to see father sons and academy players selected, but sometimes it’s clear upfront that those players will not make it. Munkara and Wanganeen are other examples of players that have talent, but not the desire. Why are we wasting our time on these guys.

Look for players that want to be there and want to succeed badly. I hope Rosa changes our recruiting philosophy, because it’s really obvious we are easy to play against.

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Well he only had 7 with a fool like Dodoro, so that checks out.

I agree with your premise overall but Picket is way way more developed than the Davies.

Not in his first year he wasn’t. Played in a Premiership that year

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That was his second year.
But there is a reason Pickett went at pick 12 and the Davey brothers both after pick 40.

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Very well put together and agree comprehensively. We need competitive driven players that will push standards on and off the field

Wright?

My point is you should only pick competitors. Doesn’t really matter what pick it is.

I guess sometimes you can’t tell the competitiveness until you get them in. Most top 60 player have largely dominated their underage comps through pure higher end skill. Some only get exposed in rare air. Glad they’ve made their mind up about a number of guys, ended the experiment and moved on.

If Jayden ends up on the VFL list or rookie I don’t have a problem leaving him on the periphery to earn his way.

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And spell Gatorade backwards.

Great point.
Every player looks good when they get things on their terms. Which is more likely to happen against your own age group.
But it’s when things don’t go to plan (which is more often than not) against bigger, stronger and quicker players that a player is truly tested to see what they are willing to do to succeed in the AFL.

It’s not a simple game anymore. See ball get ball players like Rys Palmer are more often left to later in the draft now as teams balance the ‘potential’ vs what they are now.
There’s still a need for that type of player though. Even if it’s just a ‘stop gap’ or better known as a list clogger now.

the club do have NFI

i didn’t think this was a secret? nor something that even needs anything significant evidence to back if up, we’ve literally drafted and developed 1 A grade player in our last 100

In the case of indigenous players we are even worse, as we enter into agreements with players who as @frosty quite eloquently put, are long term prospects who even enter into the professional system knowing they are probably not going to see senior footy for 1-2 season and then we are canning them before they barley play a full season. Munkara and JDavey never even did a full preseason and farken numpties around here are going “oh, not fit enough” no ■■■■

You can’t look at that objectively not have it screem incompetence, unless you’re a clapper?

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The system need some change, players like Munkara and J.Davey have AFL talent but don’t have AFL level professionalism or work ethic.

This is where they should be able to be relegated to development system to a level below to develop without affecting the AFL standard players.

In the NBA they have the G league, Soccer have academy’s and loan out system.

AFL clubs should be allowed to draft them and put this on the 'VFL list" have them train at that level and then be promoted when ready.

This gives them a chance to develop for a longer period of time without the pressure of list spots.

Walla a good example of working hard and developing through a VFL system.

I’m big for AFL clubs having rights over their VFL listed player and being able to promote to AFL level when required.

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Yeah a development list component makes sense

The reduced list sizes have pretty much killed off the ability to keep project players on list as is

And then the demands of the modern game seeing more injuries and thus rookie listed players are often actually needed in season to play

Players who do get their chances need to make their mark quicker, if not goneski

Not to say that they can’t then look to knuckle down at lower tier and try to fight way back onto a list. If they are good enough they can

People talk about small list sizes, like it’s a barrier to picking up project players. Munkara was a Category B Rookie, and then We didn’t replace him when he was delisted.

It had nothing to do with list spots available.

Munkara was not a list spot decision. He lacked the professional commitment (as you can see he hasn’t even tried to play VFL or SANFL since leaving). And yes we knew that when we took him on. But his training standard brought the rest of the list down, therefore he should be able to be pushed down a level or two to develop/learn but the club maintaining the rights over him to promote him back up if he works his way to that level.

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Isn’t this basically a rookie list you’re describing?