absolutely, it’s how the category B list should work.
Im putting this here so it’s not directed at anyone specifically but it’s not just our clubs delisted indigenous players who tend to just go home and not “catch on somewhere else and work hard to get back”
That’s just not now the culture works a lot of the time, it’s not a reflection on the individual or the club who drafts/delists them. The are plenty of guys who give there all to try and crack the big time, it doesn’t work out so they go home (and you don’t hear about it because home is probably somewhere you’ve never heard of)
with that being said I strongly suspect JDavey will probably play state league footy somewhere next season
How can a player show professionalism when he wasn’t even allowed to train with the rest of the squad?
I watch multiple preseason training sessions, and he spent each of the sessions doing skills work on the boundary.
We’re suppose to be setting young players up for success. With all the sh*t that’s spewed out of this club about ‘improving development programs’…… it’s rubbish. They are not setting young players up to succeed.
Cleary Dodoro had the power to select a Munkara/J.Davey under the proviso they would have the time and space to develop under contract. Brad has come in and firmly disagreed.
The AFL should just bite the bullet and bring in an indigenous rookie draft and take the decision making off the clubs. Invest in an AFL headquartered program to assist in assimilation, education, counselling et all. Each club to roll with X numbers of indigenous players on their list, each club needs to recruit X indigenous players each year. Work out a system that advantages guys from remote communities etc… I understand this might cause some political anxst however this just seems like the best way to ensure participation rates and give these guys the best chance of success.
Do you know this for a fact or are you assuming it? Coz in his first year he wasn’t meant to play till mid way through the vfl year, but got promoted to play much earlier. Doesn’t this indicate he exceeded where he was meant to be at physically, so they changed the plan and brought games forward?
I know for a fact it was his professionalism that was the concern and it wasn’t hard to see he wasn’t AFL fit either. I don’t know the timeline changed for when he was going to play or not.
Where did you hear this? I’m not being smart, I’m genuinely interested.
In being afl fit, they knew this when they drafted him, that’s why the long term plan to get him afl fit over a few years, similar to tippa in his vfl years.
Conversations I’ve had with people who would know, but AFL isn’t for everyone and Munkara just didn’t have the professional motivation to make it. Hope he enjoys what he is doing.
What do you mean we enter into agreements with players? What’s the agreement? To give them 4 or 5 years to come to the level required as and when they see fit on their own timeline?
I know for a fact that Munkara was deemed a lot of work, and after hearing that was not surprised to see him moved on.
I think my bona fides as a non-clapper are pretty well established on here, and not only that, I’ve been screaming about development for years despite the broad group-think that Dodoro and poor drafting is the root of all of our problems (and, for what it’s worth, I was saying so before the external review confirmed development as a key failure of our club’s).
But the fact that our development is poor doesn’t mean certain players, especially those that are indigenous and thus get the “mercurial” or “project player” tag get as long as they want on the list and any failure of theirs to make it should be foisted on the club as a failure of the club’s.
What exactly is the difference between giving Jayden & Munkara more time and what actually happened with the likes of a Jackson Merrett where the club is decried for giving them far too long, other than one very obvious feature? And don’t try and tell me it’s talent, J Merrett was drafted at 30ish and was seen as having plenty of ability.
The AFL is bleeding money via the AFLW which requires payment to 540 more players than back in the day, therefore they can’t financially afford for men’s lists to go back to where they once were.
I only saw Munny play live once. He had 1 touch in 3 quarters that was a sublime 40 metre pass to hit voss lace out.
Then they moved him to FF in 4th quarter with instructions to stay in the square. With the ball coming to him he kicked 2 classy goals.
As well as fitness, I just think he had no idea how to find the ball or be the next link in the chain at VFL level. Eyre was similar. Looked a $1m as an athlete but would finish the game with 5 possessions.
Haven’t seen Jayden but I think the concern is these guys can’t find the footy at VFL level, and are unlikely to elevate to strong AFL players.
Is a Brayden Ham like 4 years okay?
I don’t recall much support for the time he needed for his development.
And he had plenty of games handed to him.
Surprised it took 45 senior games to delist him.
That Collingwood loss really put a full stop to his development.
About $20 million next year just in aflw players salaries getting to $25 million in 2 years time, that’s not including the money clubs/afl need to spend for extra staff, flights, accommodation, ground hire etc etc. So when you have that amount of spend and only about a 10th of it coming back in income, something has to be cut from somewhere.
I wouldn’t get rid of it, i would have only had a slow build though and be at about 10 teams now and not over pay the athletes till it’s a more sustainable financial model.
Agree but he was rated elite for endurance and his athletic profile always gave him a chance.
Footy nous is not enough. An electric goal doesn’t make a player. Professionalism and the ability to run out a game is the starting point and a guiding light over whether a player stays on a list or doesn’t.