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There is a simple explanation to why we accepted. The AFL hold all the cards in a dispute with an AFL club board, they can sack them and put in their own. It is what happened to the Storm and it is in the rules and would have happened to us.
Therein lies the problem.............. we accepted it.
We can't, and Little can't.On the basis of this Report alone..............Chairman Little should be down at the Supreme Court this morning with an Injunction against the AFL asking for an immediate cease to AFL Trade Period, pending an appeal by EFC to the Commission for our Draft Picks to be reinstated.
Someone please wake him up............
We ACCEPTED the penalties. They weren't imposed on us. And I bet there was no 'and any other club found to have been slack with their record keeping will cop the same punishment of else EFC gets their draft picks back' clause.
As soon as we signed on to the penalty agreement, we lost any legal leverage we ever had.
It's too late. Stop dreaming.
Our Chairman...........after all of his posturing & chest-thumping accepted it.
We were bent over as a Club then & in light of this latest information we are being bent over again.
And what do we do? We meekly accept it.
We have been & continue to be a laughing-stock over this entire drugs saga.
The real shame for me is we appear to have a Board paralysed with inaction & incapable of defending our cause.
We all deserve better.
It makes me feel sick just thinking about how meek we've become. I said at the time & still feel like I may never again have the same pride in the club. I cannot reconcile the damage we have facilitated through innaction & lack of conviction.
I don't think thats actually correct as the EFC vote for its board members but even so an AFL appointed board couldn't posibly be more spineless than our own. Yes the AFL are powerful BUT they cannot overrule Australia's justice system. They MUST comply with Australian laws including corporate laws. Storm was owned by the News Ltd Who also own the NRL so its different to the EFC.
not picked up today by single major daily. disappointed robbo didn't run with it.
Can we have our picks back now?
Or can the other 11 or 12 teams lose their first 2 rounds as well?
I think that is a valid question that our board should be pursuing.
should.
but wont.
and nothing will happen.
we tried to appear strong and then folded like origami when the heat got turned on 100%.
we would have won in court yet we didnt go there and we are now the unluckiest team in the history of sports.
Jon Ralph â€@RalphyHeraldSun 1h
Sure it will be chased up. There are supplements and there are legal or WADA banned substances. Need to find out which they r
So when Evans said we had discovered issues with the governance of our supplements program and we wanted to check it all out and Hird said he was certain nothing illegal was taken Ralph jumped to conclusion and hounded the club and still goes on about possible infraction notices, but when other clubs don't report he thinks someone might 'chase it up'?
What a farking ■■■■.If AIDS were in human form, Jon Ralph would be the virus that kills it. ***** of the highest order.
I have given you a "like" and a :lol: because this post deserves it
FINALLY!!! The Herald Sun are running with it as the leading story on their website from midday today. Will be interesting to see if the "Independent. Always." paper runs with it later.
But were the other 11 clubs running a pharmacologically experimental environment?
Everybody saying that we should of fought it all through the courts. That can take a hell of a lot of time and energy and cash. I can't imagine the players wanting to go through another season of hell like they did.
The club wouldn't of just rolled over, they would of thought long and hard about whether to fight or not.
Sometimes it's just not worth it.
But were the other 11 clubs running a pharmacologically experimental environment?
Maybe they were? Some or all - we don't know. Hawthorn's orthoklein programme of off-site blood doping you could argue was pharmacologically experimental - its banned in the USA as well, but it gets the all-clear because its approved here in Oz.
is t.w.a.t a naughty word?
I hope we win the flag next year and Vlad can weep.
means a ladies baby hole
There is a simple explanation to why we accepted. The AFL hold all the cards in a dispute with an AFL club board, they can sack them and put in their own. It is what happened to the Storm and it is in the rules and would have happened to us.
Therein lies the problem.............. we accepted it.
We can't, and Little can't.On the basis of this Report alone..............Chairman Little should be down at the Supreme Court this morning with an Injunction against the AFL asking for an immediate cease to AFL Trade Period, pending an appeal by EFC to the Commission for our Draft Picks to be reinstated.
Someone please wake him up............
We ACCEPTED the penalties. They weren't imposed on us. And I bet there was no 'and any other club found to have been slack with their record keeping will cop the same punishment of else EFC gets their draft picks back' clause.
As soon as we signed on to the penalty agreement, we lost any legal leverage we ever had.
It's too late. Stop dreaming.
Our Chairman...........after all of his posturing & chest-thumping accepted it.
We were bent over as a Club then & in light of this latest information we are being bent over again.
And what do we do? We meekly accept it.
We have been & continue to be a laughing-stock over this entire drugs saga.
The real shame for me is we appear to have a Board paralysed with inaction & incapable of defending our cause.
We all deserve better.
It makes me feel sick just thinking about how meek we've become. I said at the time & still feel like I may never again have the same pride in the club. I cannot reconcile the damage we have facilitated through innaction & lack of conviction.
I don't think thats actually correct as the EFC vote for its board members but even so an AFL appointed board couldn't posibly be more spineless than our own. Yes the AFL are powerful BUT they cannot overrule Australia's justice system. They MUST comply with Australian laws including corporate laws. Storm was owned by the News Ltd Who also own the NRL so its different to the EFC.
No, what rijofl posted is completely correct.
It has nothing to do with ownership and everything to do with the club license to play which gives AFL ultimate control.
Make no mistake, the AFL could have de-registered us for 2014 and beyond under its powers.
It would then be up to us to test those powers in a court of law.
From Herald Sun as at 12.30pm
AFL survey reveals 12 clubs used supplements without adequate supervision
By Al Paton (who???????????)
TWELVE AFL clubs have conducted supplement programs that lacked "a single point of accountability".
After Essendon's extensive and largely unsupervised supplement program was exposed this year, the AFL conducted a survey of supplement use across the league.
According to a report on the league website, it found 11 other clubs were flirting with danger by using supplements that were not clearly understood or documented.
Players from nine clubs independently sourced supplements.
The survey found 12 clubs - presumably including Essendon - ran programs with "medium or high levels of supplement use".
It also found an "inappropriate definition of supplements" and "the selection process of support personnel was flawed".
An internal review by the Bombers into their sports science department in 2011-12 found "the rapid diversification into exotic supplements, sharp increase in frequency of injections, the shift to treatment offsite in alternative medicine clinics, emergence of unfamiliar suppliers, marginalization of traditional medical staff etc combine to create a disturbing picture of a pharmacologically experimental environment never adequately controlled or challenged or documented within the club."
Essendon was subsequently kicked out of the 2013 finals, fined $2 million and stripped of picks in the next two drafts for bringing the game into disrepute, while coach James Hird was banned for 12 months.
An ASADA investigation that could result in possible penalties for use of performance-enhancing drugs by Essendon players remains open.
The other 11 clubs involved in supplement use were not named by the AFL.
In response to the Essendon scandal the league moved to introduce stricter policing of sports science, and a list of AFL prohibited treatments and AFL controlled treatments will be introduced before the start of next season.
Prohibited treatments will include all substances on the WADA banned list plus drugs not approved by the Government's Therapeutic Goods Administration.
Controlled treatments will only be permitted with written approval by club doctors.
The league will also establish a register where clubs must record any use of controlled treatments.
MORE TO COME
The only thing surprising about this revelation is that people are surprised.
I am surprised they published it, and on the AFL site of all places. It is akin to a bully (which happens to be a teacher) in the school yard saying sucked in, you got caught but we didn't.
I think the AFL site is pretty independent from the AFL. It appears to be far more independent than the say The Age at the current time.
I don't agree.
While no news source is entirely independent from an agenda or political stance, most still report objectively.
AFL Media are not objective in my opinion. The 'news' section on their site is propaganda, pr if you like. No objectivity. Everything is monitored and controlled. That's part of the reason they took over the EFC site.
There are player interviews and fluff pieces of interest to supporters of individual clubs, however most stories are written to generate chatter and build their online presence.
It's a brilliant strategy, but it aint objective. The story, the lead, was buried last night. The paragraph on the 12 clubs should have been the opener. AFL Media know what they're doing and it's a strategy from the top.
Edit: This explains it in more detail: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/30/technology/afl-media-future-content-marketing
I take your point, but I still think the AFL wield plenty of influence over what is published in the Age etc. via their control of what info is leaked to who. I don't see any evidence that the traditional media outlets report AFL news with any more independence than the AFL site. The only journos I noticed who consistently went against the company line in the whole Essendon saga were Chip Legrand (not a sports jorno) and to a much lesser extent Robo (in the later stages). Apparently it's hard to stay in a job reporting on the AFL once head office cuts you off, regardless of whether you're employed at their website or not.
There is a simple explanation to why we accepted. The AFL hold all the cards in a dispute with an AFL club board, they can sack them and put in their own. It is what happened to the Storm and it is in the rules and would have happened to us.Therein lies the problem.............. we accepted it.We can't, and Little can't.On the basis of this Report alone..............Chairman Little should be down at the Supreme Court this morning with an Injunction against the AFL asking for an immediate cease to AFL Trade Period, pending an appeal by EFC to the Commission for our Draft Picks to be reinstated.
Someone please wake him up............
We ACCEPTED the penalties. They weren't imposed on us. And I bet there was no 'and any other club found to have been slack with their record keeping will cop the same punishment of else EFC gets their draft picks back' clause.
As soon as we signed on to the penalty agreement, we lost any legal leverage we ever had.
It's too late. Stop dreaming.
Our Chairman...........after all of his posturing & chest-thumping accepted it.
We were bent over as a Club then & in light of this latest information we are being bent over again.
And what do we do? We meekly accept it.
We have been & continue to be a laughing-stock over this entire drugs saga.
The real shame for me is we appear to have a Board paralysed with inaction & incapable of defending our cause.
We all deserve better.
It makes me feel sick just thinking about how meek we've become. I said at the time & still feel like I may never again have the same pride in the club. I cannot reconcile the damage we have facilitated through innaction & lack of conviction.
The club cannot win without the support from the other clubs as we live in an inherently unfair and corrupt system. The other clubs (bunch of spineless hypocrites) are happy to throw us under the bus because it was advantageous for them to do so and where the principle of fairness counts for naught.
The only revenge that matters is for the club to at least finish top four in 2014 and win a flag in the not too distant future. I hope this is why Bomber choose to stay to finish the unfinished business. I hope the players and everyone else in the club will be as committed to his cause as he is in 2014.
GO BOMBERS!
On the basis of this Report alone..............Chairman Little should be down at the Supreme Court this morning with an Injunction against the AFL asking for an immediate cease to AFL Trade Period, pending an appeal by EFC to the Commission for our Draft Picks to be reinstated.
Someone please wake him up............
We can't, and Little can't.
We ACCEPTED the penalties. They weren't imposed on us. And I bet there was no 'and any other club found to have been slack with their record keeping will cop the same punishment of else EFC gets their draft picks back' clause.
As soon as we signed on to the penalty agreement, we lost any legal leverage we ever had.
It's too late. Stop dreaming.
Therein lies the problem.............. we accepted it.
Our Chairman...........after all of his posturing & chest-thumping accepted it.
We were bent over as a Club then & in light of this latest information we are being bent over again.
And what do we do? We meekly accept it.
We have been & continue to be a laughing-stock over this entire drugs saga.
The real shame for me is we appear to have a Board paralysed with inaction & incapable of defending our cause.
We all deserve better.
It makes me feel sick just thinking about how meek we've become. I said at the time & still feel like I may never again have the same pride in the club. I cannot reconcile the damage we have facilitated through innaction & lack of conviction.
Bluffing isn't having a lack of conviction, its a tactic.
not picked up today by single major daily. disappointed robbo didn't run with it.
No surprise there. Most AFL sport journos are sycophants.
Note the wording in the original article: 12 clubs on the stuff AND no single point of contact. So it could well be all 18 were pharmacologically experimental but six nominated a single point of contact.
But this is from a survey, not an investigation, so it’s quite possible some clubs nominated that single point but then failed to follow up in practice. Like us.
The only thing surprising about this revelation is that people are surprised.
I am surprised they published it, and on the AFL site of all places. It is akin to a bully (which happens to be a teacher) in the school yard saying sucked in, you got caught but we didn't.
I think the AFL site is pretty independent from the AFL. It appears to be far more independent than the say The Age at the current time.
I don't agree.
While no news source is entirely independent from an agenda or political stance, most still report objectively.
AFL Media are not objective in my opinion. The 'news' section on their site is propaganda, pr if you like. No objectivity. Everything is monitored and controlled. That's part of the reason they took over the EFC site.
There are player interviews and fluff pieces of interest to supporters of individual clubs, however most stories are written to generate chatter and build their online presence.
It's a brilliant strategy, but it aint objective. The story, the lead, was buried last night. The paragraph on the 12 clubs should have been the opener. AFL Media know what they're doing and it's a strategy from the top.
Edit: This explains it in more detail: http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/8/30/technology/afl-media-future-content-marketing
I am glad you mentioned that because the EFC site has been absolute ■■■■■ since they took it over. One of the most useless sites to navigate plus all their fking ads everywhere.
It was the lead story on 774ABC 1.00 pm News.
When did they conduct the survey?