...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
I've heard dean say himself that he wasn't really into footy seriously when he was a kid and Essendon was the motivator in getting him playing. Then later in his career he realised how much he owed the club and tried to get professional but he'd done too much damage playing unfit and there was too much scar tissue and the harder he trained the more he got injured.
Rioli was, and by the looks of it still is, over rated. Yes amazing skills but that is about it. IMO he lacked a little bit of heart and lacked a lot of commitment. He simple road on the coat tails of his own skill.
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish. Which came first the knee problems or the weight. There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet. I have never heard one player or coach criticise him for that. When he stopped playing he immediately blew out an extra 30kgs. Surely, by anyone's logic, this suggests that when he was playing he was training (as best he could with the knees) and mindful of his diet. Plain fact is to play elite footy you need the body and the skill. He had the skill but genetics let him down in terms of the body
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish.
Which came first the knee problems or the weight.
There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet. I have never heard one player or coach criticise him for that.
When he stopped playing he immediately blew out an extra 30kgs. Surely, by anyone's logic, this suggests that when he was playing he was training (as best he could with the knees) and mindful of his diet.
Plain fact is to play elite footy you need the body and the skill. He had the skill but genetics let him down in terms of the body
Not to sound like a smart ■■■ bro but weight issues for him are pretty common knowledge. He used to head up north and eat turtle to much also which was something that wasn't helping his weight cause
I know he’s not one of the options, but between the foot fractures and the “worse than a car crash” impact with Mcveighs knee. Remember when supporters were saying we should get rid of him because he couldn’t get on the field.
Best player ever if he didn’t have the injuries.
Of the options provided, Rama. The others gave what they had, but Rama legitimately didn’t get that chance. Could’ve been anything. Was so pleased that he got back on the field at the end.
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish.
Which came first the knee problems or the weight.
There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet. I have never heard one player or coach criticise him for that.
When he stopped playing he immediately blew out an extra 30kgs. Surely, by anyone's logic, this suggests that when he was playing he was training (as best he could with the knees) and mindful of his diet.
Plain fact is to play elite footy you need the body and the skill. He had the skill but genetics let him down in terms of the body
There's no evidence he had a poor diet? It's called vision. He was huge. With no legs you can still manage to stay lean with the correct diet. By his own admissions he would travel to the NT and stuff himself with turtle meat.
Lol "genetics". The same genes he shares with Maurice and Cyril.
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish.
Which came first the knee problems or the weight.
There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet.
He was fat. What more evidence do you need? What are you gonna tell us next, he was big boned?
I always wonder why Cupido gets a run in these threads. A very average player. It's a hard one between Rama and Dean. Both had a touch of freak. Deano probably had more hurt factor to his game.
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish.
Which came first the knee problems or the weight.
There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet. I have never heard one player or coach criticise him for that.
When he stopped playing he immediately blew out an extra 30kgs. Surely, by anyone's logic, this suggests that when he was playing he was training (as best he could with the knees) and mindful of his diet.
Plain fact is to play elite footy you need the body and the skill. He had the skill but genetics let him down in terms of the body
There's no evidence he had a poor diet? It's called vision. He was huge. With no legs you can still manage to stay lean with the correct diet. By his own admissions he would travel to the NT and stuff himself with turtle meat.
Lol "genetics". The same genes he shares with Maurice and Cyril.
That's not correct. If it was as easy to control weight by simply eating less we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic. It is different for different people and there is so much research going back at least 100 years that has been hijacked by both the diet industry and the sugar industry.
For many people, to eat so much less that they lost weight, they would have to literally starve themselves. And as well they would be constantly hungry and never feel full. And that is not least because there are two competing hormones.
It's not about being big boned or anything else. It's the interplay of hormones and the way in which different substances are metabolised, by different people. It's not one size fits all, despite all those correct weight people who believe they are the way they are through discipline.
I lol at that.
Dean might have eaten too much turtle meat but he was never going to be like Cyril Rioli.
Tricky, tricky, tricky. I don’t think you can count Lovett as he gave us good service and we got a good trade for him. I went Rioli because he’s my favourite of those guys. But Cupido is right up there for talent, as was Rama. I don’t think anyone writing off Cupido realise just how good he was for such a young player that year. Kicked a lot of goals, was good in the air and on the ground. Terribly hard to match up on. Rama was a fantastic runner, but I just loved seeing Rioli play. Every touch was worth two, he would cut sides apart with his disposal. And knew when to lay a bump One other guy who should be on this list because he could win it - Winderlich. Sure, we got two odd full seasons in the midfield and a few half seasons up forward. We should have had a 200 game champion midfielder if his ■■■■■■ body had allowed it. He and Lovett were both major factors in Knights getting us into the finals in 2010. He had speed, evasion, and after the early years good delivery. Wasn’t afraid to put his body on the line. Players who I think should be listed but wouldn’t be a chance of winning this poll would be Gumbleton and Laycock. We all know the story of Gumby. Laycock will get flack because he didn’t do as much training as he could, but his body was the major reason for not giving him a shot. And he was one talented footballer. ************* It does make you think. We stayed in the finals up to 2004. If we had had fit Winders, Rioli, Rama, Cupido and Laycock we probably stay a competitor for Hird’s last years. The above set would have been the core midfield alongside the ageing Hird/Johnson/Pev and Cupido would have been the foil to Lloyd & Lucas. Laycock would have been that ruck we required. I know there were some god awful drafting such as Harvey and Davies in there, and we lost our 1st pick in 1999, but injuries really did cruel our chances in the mid-00’s.
We got brilliance out of Rama and a flag, we got 100 games out of Deano and some sublime football, we got absolutely teased by Cupes and he remains the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen.
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish.
Which came first the knee problems or the weight.
There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet. I have never heard one player or coach criticise him for that.
When he stopped playing he immediately blew out an extra 30kgs. Surely, by anyone's logic, this suggests that when he was playing he was training (as best he could with the knees) and mindful of his diet.
Plain fact is to play elite footy you need the body and the skill. He had the skill but genetics let him down in terms of the body
There's no evidence he had a poor diet? It's called vision. He was huge. With no legs you can still manage to stay lean with the correct diet. By his own admissions he would travel to the NT and stuff himself with turtle meat.
Lol "genetics". The same genes he shares with Maurice and Cyril.
That's not correct. If it was as easy to control weight by simply eating less we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic. It is different for different people and there is so much research going back at least 100 years that has been hijacked by both the diet industry and the sugar industry.
For many people, to eat so much less that they lost weight, they would have to literally starve themselves. And as well they would be constantly hungry and never feel full. And that is not least because there are two competing hormones.
It's not about being big boned or anything else. It's the interplay of hormones and the way in which different substances are metabolised, by different people. It's not one size fits all, despite all those correct weight people who believe they are the way they are through discipline.
I lol at that.
Dean might have eaten too much turtle meat but he was never going to be like Cyril Rioli.
You're trying to paraphrase me but changing what I said completely.
1. I never said "it was easy". While I don't think it's extremely difficult, especially not for an AFL footballer, it does require some discipline (Again, as an AFL footballer something that is expected).
2. I never said "eating less", I said managing your diet. There's a difference.
The reason we have an obesity epidemic is because people eat like crap. Things they think are healthy are actually riddled with preservatives and other things the body doesn't process well. Fruit drinks, "low fat" products, fruit and nut bars - all of this stuff is high in sugars and sodium and other things we don't need. It's labelled as "health food" and people eat it thinking it's healthy when it's just crap. If you manage your diet and eat mostly natural foods, fruit and veg, lean meats cooked in healthy ways it's not hard to maintain a decent weight even with bad genetics. My favourite is when people eat lunch and then get a Boost Juice... Slamming down 1000 calories and wondering why their 30 minutes walking an evening doesn't have them losing weight lol.
Genetics will keep you from looking like Georges St Pierre but it won't make you fat. That comes down to lifestyle choice.
As far as "starving yourself"; a lot of people also overestimate how much they need and underestimate how much they are having. They'll load a plate with carbs at 9pm at night, throw some sauce on the pasta, minimal veg but eat a smaller portion. Of course, they're hungry later. Eat more veg, take the sauce out, get the carbs from something like quinoa or sweet potato and viola, you won't be hungry later. You can actually eat MORE foods when eating right and the body digests it better.
I cut 7kgs in a month to make weight for a competition and didn't starve myself, didn't count calories, didn't miss a single meal and was eating a variety of stuff. I did this while struggling to train due to a bulging disc and also working full time.
You're telling me an elite level, full-time athlete can't maintain weight because of "genetics"? No, he didn't maintain a decent playing weight due to a lack of discipline. Exactly why I chose Rama.
Deano really had that x factor but for whatever reason wasn't able to stay on the field. Could have been anything. Rama, cut don as he was reaching his prime.As Ants said, if these guys had of achieved we could have definitely been still contending, as we should have been, in the mid 2000s
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
Rubbish.
Which came first the knee problems or the weight.
There is no evidence that Rioli was a poor trainer and undisciplined in terms of his diet. I have never heard one player or coach criticise him for that.
When he stopped playing he immediately blew out an extra 30kgs. Surely, by anyone's logic, this suggests that when he was playing he was training (as best he could with the knees) and mindful of his diet.
Plain fact is to play elite footy you need the body and the skill. He had the skill but genetics let him down in terms of the body
There's no evidence he had a poor diet? It's called vision. He was huge. With no legs you can still manage to stay lean with the correct diet. By his own admissions he would travel to the NT and stuff himself with turtle meat.
Lol "genetics". The same genes he shares with Maurice and Cyril.
That's not correct. If it was as easy to control weight by simply eating less we wouldn't have an obesity epidemic. It is different for different people and there is so much research going back at least 100 years that has been hijacked by both the diet industry and the sugar industry.
For many people, to eat so much less that they lost weight, they would have to literally starve themselves. And as well they would be constantly hungry and never feel full. And that is not least because there are two competing hormones.
It's not about being big boned or anything else. It's the interplay of hormones and the way in which different substances are metabolised, by different people. It's not one size fits all, despite all those correct weight people who believe they are the way they are through discipline.
I lol at that.
Dean might have eaten too much turtle meat but he was never going to be like Cyril Rioli.
You're trying to paraphrase me but changing what I said completely.
1. I never said "it was easy". While I don't think it's extremely difficult, especially not for an AFL footballer, it does require some discipline (Again, as an AFL footballer something that is expected).
2. I never said "eating less", I said managing your diet. There's a difference.
The reason we have an obesity epidemic is because people eat like crap. Things they think are healthy are actually riddled with preservatives and other things the body doesn't process well. Fruit drinks, "low fat" products, fruit and nut bars - all of this stuff is high in sugars and sodium and other things we don't need. It's labelled as "health food" and people eat it thinking it's healthy when it's just crap. If you manage your diet and eat mostly natural foods, fruit and veg, lean meats cooked in healthy ways it's not hard to maintain a decent weight even with bad genetics. My favourite is when people eat lunch and then get a Boost Juice... Slamming down 1000 calories and wondering why their 30 minutes walking an evening doesn't have them losing weight lol.
Genetics will keep you from looking like Georges St Pierre but it won't make you fat. That comes down to lifestyle choice.
As far as "starving yourself"; a lot of people also overestimate how much they need and underestimate how much they are having. They'll load a plate with carbs at 9pm at night, throw some sauce on the pasta, minimal veg but eat a smaller portion. Of course, they're hungry later. Eat more veg, take the sauce out, get the carbs from something like quinoa or sweet potato and viola, you won't be hungry later. You can actually eat MORE foods when eating right and the body digests it better.
I cut 7kgs in a month to make weight for a competition and didn't starve myself, didn't count calories, didn't miss a single meal and was eating a variety of stuff. I did this while struggling to train due to a bulging disc and also working full time.
You're telling me an elite level, full-time athlete can't maintain weight because of "genetics"? No, he didn't maintain a decent playing weight due to a lack of discipline. Exactly why I chose Rama.
You are missing my point. Good luck to you if you can lose 7kgs in a month.
My point is it is always the people that can do that, who think if everyone did what they did it will work for them too. My point is that it won't. What works for you is good, doesn't mean it will work for anyone else. And that has been proven.
People same weight height activity level can eat exactly the same food at identical times and one will lose weight and the other won't. That too has been proven.
It is not one size fits all.
...Unlike Rioli, Rama didn't have much say in the sad affair.
Rioli had a say in his knee issues?
Yes.
Carrying an extra 10-15kg and trying to do the running required for AFL does damage to your knees. As fantastic as Rioli was (and one of my personal favourites) he never put in the dedication required to get his body right.
I remember an article after he lost all the weight. they were comparing his weight to Michael Voss and hyping him up big time. a season or two later, he was big jiggly Rioli again. Had some great moments, but definitely wasted a lot of his potential due to his love for cheeseburgers.
