What have you done Peedo?
Terrorist is a loaded term. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. You cannot argue that point except from a partisan view. Money/capital has instigated the unrest in most of the places around the world. Who knows what kind of place Iraq might have been if the exploiters never ventured there, what, two hundred years ago? The European powers of yesteryear and US now have created un-natural national boundaries all over the place and they seem to be now reaping what they have sown.
Nothing too unnatural about the borders of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon or Libya. Saudi land is a little made up but Arabia did previously exist through that region. Most of those countries have history in the regions they now occupy, same with Turkey.
Nothing un natural if you don't include the Kurds. The point is the traditional powers have grouped natural enemies, for want of a better term, into new countries that would not have eventuated without their meddling.
The Kurds have never had a homeland of their own as a country. They were originally the "medo" part from the Medo-Persian Empire. They have always straddled the regions of Turkey, Iraq and Iran and been incorporated into those societies since the times of the Achaemenid Empire. They are essentially a Persian people group but a little more mixed from Mongolian expansionism.
So you are saying what, they don't want or deserve a homeland? Perhaps Switzerland should hand itself to Italy, France and Germany. You say 'incorporated', well that is not necessarily benign.
Don't put words into my mouth just because you are frustrated about something over which you have zero control.
I think, if you look, I am asking a question. Two questions really. What does incorporated mean in the context of the discussion and do they deserve a homeland. Your response is a straw man if ever I saw one.
You don't understand the term "straw man" if you are using it for what I have said. I am offering no opinion on them above just merely stating their history in broad terms. Facts are simple, the Kurds have never had their own homeland. Whether they deserve one or not was not part of my statements or anything I was offering.
Terrorist is a loaded term. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. You cannot argue that point except from a partisan view. Money/capital has instigated the unrest in most of the places around the world. Who knows what kind of place Iraq might have been if the exploiters never ventured there, what, two hundred years ago? The European powers of yesteryear and US now have created un-natural national boundaries all over the place and they seem to be now reaping what they have sown.
Nothing too unnatural about the borders of Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon or Libya. Saudi land is a little made up but Arabia did previously exist through that region. Most of those countries have history in the regions they now occupy, same with Turkey.
Nothing un natural if you don't include the Kurds. The point is the traditional powers have grouped natural enemies, for want of a better term, into new countries that would not have eventuated without their meddling.
The Kurds have never had a homeland of their own as a country. They were originally the "medo" part from the Medo-Persian Empire. They have always straddled the regions of Turkey, Iraq and Iran and been incorporated into those societies since the times of the Achaemenid Empire. They are essentially a Persian people group but a little more mixed from Mongolian expansionism.
So you are saying what, they don't want or deserve a homeland? Perhaps Switzerland should hand itself to Italy, France and Germany. You say 'incorporated', well that is not necessarily benign.
Don't put words into my mouth just because you are frustrated about something over which you have zero control.
I think, if you look, I am asking a question. Two questions really. What does incorporated mean in the context of the discussion and do they deserve a homeland. Your response is a straw man if ever I saw one.
You don't understand the term "straw man" if you are using it for what I have said. I am offering no opinion on them above just merely stating their history in broad terms. Facts are simple, the Kurds have never had their own homeland. Whether they deserve one or not was not part of my statements or anything I was offering.
You changed the topic to make it about me. That's as straw man as you can get. You know, off topic and change tack. You're not a politician are you?
As far as I'm aware the Nazis weren't sending off "look at how bad-■■■■ we are" newsreels left right & centre.
You not heard of Joseph Goebbels?
I for one hope like hell they wipe ISIS off the face of the map including all the stupid "Aussie's" who are over there fighting with them
I know absolutely nothing about this issue, and had not even heard of ISIS until a few weeks ago.
I'm prepared to pretend I do though, and point out where everyone else is wrong.
As far as I'm aware the Nazis weren't sending off "look at how bad-■■■■ we are" newsreels left right & centre.
You not heard of Joseph Goebbels?
You missed the point. Adolf's propaganda minister didn't publicise the atrocities. His job was to highlight the regime's 'good' points.
Something needs doing. But Ideally it shouldn’t fall to the US or the “West”, “our” presence just aggravates and continues the cycle.
It needs a couple of stable, sane Arab /Muslim nations to lead the way. I’m not sure one exists, or if so one that has the capability. The split in Islam is just as destructive as the anti-west sentiments ( until the “West” actually arrives, at which point everyone unites against Satan and forgets the atrocities recently inflicted on one another) and in truth the west have usually prevented the very thing the situation probably now needs.
The arbitrary backing of pretty much every side at various “convenient” points has consistently shuffled the deck of problems but never produced a winning hand. Because I don’t think there is one.
And the Arab states surrounding Syria and Iraq do nothing - Better to let western countries dive head first into the battle - Then the Arab states will pick up the pieces.
I read that the Kurds in Northern Itaq have been taking them on via western resourcing, even though they are also considered to be a terrorist organisation.
It's interesting that the middle east countries barely blink an eyelid, even when it directly effects them. In saying that if Saudi Arabia breaks down, you know that control has been lost.
LOL at people professing that sending 'humanitarian aid' is the solution.
How does that work specifically?
And I'm a bit tired of people sneering that the West are only getting involved because they are now impacted. Whether that is true or not, the course they are setting now is true and should be supported.
Unless people are advocating that we continue to do nothing whilst innocent people are slaughtered.
But you miss the point - The Middle East countries should be front and centre of any battle.
Always find it amusing how the left are prepared to let innocent people die and get slaughtered overseas.
Way to miss the argument - You are the only one who sees a left and right divide in the discussion - Am I missing something ?
There are two strands of Islam - Sunni and Shiites - They hate each other more than anyone else - Solve this insufferable issue and you may make progress.
And that's where the media has tricked you. It's NOT a secular issue. People think it's a civil war occurring in Iraq/Syria. Quite the opposite actually.There are two strands of Islam - Sunni and Shiites - They hate each other more than anyone else - Solve this insufferable issue and you may make progress.
And yes, I too take the stand that M-E countries should act. But wouldn't that be hypocritical since Saudi, Qatar and Turkey are funding the likes??
Something needs doing. But Ideally it shouldn't fall to the US or the "West", "our" presence just aggravates and continues the cycle.
It needs a couple of stable, sane Arab /Muslim nations to lead the way. I'm not sure one exists, or if so one that has the capability. The split in Islam is just as destructive as the anti-west sentiments ( until the "West" actually arrives, at which point everyone unites against Satan and forgets the atrocities recently inflicted on one another) and in truth the west have usually prevented the very thing the situation probably now needs.
The arbitrary backing of pretty much every side at various "convenient" points has consistently shuffled the deck of problems but never produced a winning hand. Because I don't think there is one.
FWIW
Who is doing what in the coalition battle against ISIS?
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/14/world/meast/isis-coalition-nations/
LOL at people professing that sending 'humanitarian aid' is the solution.
How does that work specifically?
And I'm a bit tired of people sneering that the West are only getting involved because they are now impacted. Whether that is true or not, the course they are setting now is true and should be supported.
Unless people are advocating that we continue to do nothing whilst innocent people are slaughtered.
But you miss the point - The Middle East countries should be front and centre of any battle.
They are lining up to do SFA.
As far as I'm aware the Nazis weren't sending off "look at how bad-■■■■ we are" newsreels left right & centre.
You not heard of Joseph Goebbels?
You missed the point. Adolf's propaganda minister didn't publicise the atrocities. His job was to highlight the regime's 'good' points.
Correct.
I'm not 100% at what point they wanted a war to happen, but they certainly didn't want it when they came to power early-mid 30s as they hadn't tooled up for it.
ISIS are, quite literally, asking for it. They can't sustain what they preach without war.
http://youtu.be/K5nigZzgf4Y
Always find it amusing how the left are prepared to let innocent people die and get slaughtered overseas.
What's your solution for people dying in Africa, etc, etc, etc...
Oh that's right ignore the countries which don't have oil
So lets ignore them all then.
Such compassion from the brave and heroic leftists once again.
Day Tripper you are the Andrew Bolt of Bomber Blitz. FOS
I am not amazed at all that lefties are siding with ISIS.