List build - where are we? Where are we going next (Part 1)

[Paul_Peos]

Looking at the best 22, I can’t see a true X-factor player that can win a game off his own boot hird, long style. Daniher maybe, walla? But both those players rely on folks up field. There just isn’t a player that can turn a game in the space of 15 minutes.

Orazio has more X factor that an adult book shop.

But I agree with the rest of your post. A fit Francis in finals is an exciting prospect.

[barnz]

I’m cocked back ready to bang on them for frang to launch one from 60m out.

[Houli_Dooli]

Young guys to target that id like to see in Black and Red.

Will Setterfield - GWS may need picks for academy selections. Jobe Replacement
Petrevski-Seton - looks like a gun, could save him from the Blues
Jy Simpkin Huge dons fans and prolly wants to get out of North.

Free agency. - Have to look at Fyfe
Im worried about Dusty offield.
Rockliff - Jobe repalcement - if myers perenially injured, though dont wanna pay too much for him.
Kreuzer - could solve Ruck problems if Belly /Leuy are unreliable.
Josh Kennedy - could send Hooker back to defence then.

Really only interested in Fyfe, cant see Kennedy leaving.

Trading - Howlett/Bird for more opportunities. Maybe Myers.
Retirements - Kelly.
Delistments - Potentially J Merrett
In Limbo - Hocking needs to get some AFL games soon, Redman, Morgan, Long all need to get some good form or may also be on the chopping block.
IMO Goddard, Stanton, Watson looks good for another season it will be their decision.
Baguley has improved since JLT, think will at least get another season.

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

I’m all for giving games to the kids, but while the list is relatively healthy lets make them earn it.

Does anyone think playing the same team every week, until a whole bunch of them break down at the same time works?? As much as I love winning ANZAC day and losing the return leg by 70 points, I wanna see what happens if we don’t do that.
Round 15 or 20 debuts for kids are far too often a necessity not a choice - and far too often they struggle in broken down sides getting badly beaten.

Proactive. Not reactive. Name of the game.

[Ants]

Huh? The most successful teams usually have limited turnover during the year.

[The_New_Coleman]

Kreuzer - could solve perpetuate Ruck problems if Belly /Leuy are unreliable.

Fixed

[Reboot]

Kreuzer - would solve perpetuate problems be a major embarrassment to have in our colours even if Belly /Leuy are unreliable.

Fixed

properly fixed

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

HAP’s OP proposed “not going flat chat”.
You’re suggesting weakening a team that is already giving substantial weight to players in their 1st to 3rd seasons.
HAP suggested bringing in Howlett or other journeyman a mistake.

And let’s be honest, if you want to make substantial differences to the 2019 side 5% (1player in the side) ain’t going to cut it.

Given what we’re already doing and the preference for youth over experience, what HAP and you are suggesting goes beyond tinkering to derailing and tanking. I do not think that is appropriate given where the list is at.

Look at that not-very-speculative 2019 side I posted. we actually don’t have to make all that many changes to our direction, to put a fair bit more emphasis on development. We’ve got maybe 17 spots looking pretty OK. But scratch the surface and there’s a fair bit of, politely, mid career mid level vanilla on the list. It’s those guys that are the problem. They’re yesterday’s footsoldiers with (in many cases) Hird’s preferred skillsets, tough nuggety inside ball players.

As for derailing… LOL.

[Peter_BerbA_kov_s_An]

I’m waiting until late July to form a view on how good we really are, which informs list management decisions. It takes 16-18 rounds every year for the vagaries of the draw to be washed through and for every club to have a clear understanding of where they’re at.

I do think the competition now is as even as it’s been in about 15 years, though. Since 2001, at least one of four teams (Brisbane, Sydney, Geelong and Hawthorn) featured in the grand final every single year bar one (2010) - that’s pretty incredible in the context of what is supposedly a communist, level playing field (albeit two of those dominant teams, namely Brisbane and Sydney, came about directly as a result of AFL intervention). I don’t think the next 10-15 years will see the same cycle where 3-4 teams dominate in the same way as has been the case for the last 10-15 years, so there’ll be more opportunity for sides to bob up and ■■■■■■ a premiership like the Dogs did last year.

[kingofthehill]

Young guys to target that id like to see in Black and Red.

Will Setterfield - GWS may need picks for academy selections. Jobe Replacement

I know the NEAFL is weak, but Setterfiled had 33 and kicked 3 goals on the weekend.
A bombers supporter, he’d be a great get. Hopefully he struggles to break into the team

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

Huh? The most successful teams usually have limited turnover during the year.

That’s effect, not cause. Carlton could play the same 22 ■■■■ trucks and they’d still be ■■■■ trucks.

Good sides don’t settle for average.

Look at the Dogs, blooded tons of kids in the 3-4 years prior to their flag - as we’ve rightly started to do. That meant they didn’t have to keep turning to guys like Dylan Addison and Ayce Cordy, and eventually they got to the point they could get rid of Griffen and Cooney et al without it hurting them. We’ve started along the right path. We can’t slow down now.

[Speedy_Gonzales]

The difference between Dogs then and us is we think we can contend in the now. Woosh said he thought we had a top 4 squad when he took over.

So the 22 each week will be based on winning games of footy in the now.

And if we push deep into September with this squad and the older players are a big part of that successful season I expect so long as they are performing they’d go around again.

Then, like every year, whatever weaknesses we need to address are at years end in order to strengthen the chances of a flag in 2018… but with an eye on future as well.

Everyone actively pressing for more kids (than we already are) being played clearly doesn’t think we are a chance in 17/18.

And they also discounting the value of VFL footy for development. Ablett, Bartel, SJ and co all won a VFL flag leading into their successful AFL years.

[Henry_s_Angry_Pills]

The difference between Dogs then and us is we think we can contend in the now. Woosh said he thought we had a top 4 squad when he took over

Yep. Great point.
I really worry that some at the club might even believe it.

[cul_de_sac]

I’m all for giving games to the kids, but while the list is relatively healthy lets make them earn it.

Does anyone think playing the same team every week, until a whole bunch of them break down at the same time works?? As much as I love winning ANZAC day and losing the return leg by 70 points, I wanna see what happens if we don’t do that.
Round 15 or 20 debuts for kids are far too often a necessity not a choice - and far too often they struggle in broken down sides getting badly beaten.

Proactive. Not reactive. Name of the game.

I said make them earn senior spots, not wait until the list has fallen apart at the end of the year. That’s more of a straw man argument than the accusations earlier in the thread.

[Deckham]

I’m waiting until late July to form a view on how good we really are, which informs list management decisions.

Hallaluja.

[Donnington]

Is anyone else a little worried about a KP depth?
Outside of Francis and Drapper who else do we have?

[Speedy_Gonzales]

Is anyone else a little worried about a KP depth?
Outside of Francis and Drapper who else do we have?

Stewart
Brown
Bellchambers
& Dea as undersized kpd

[Deckham]

Yes, but those aside - where’s the depth?

[Alan_Noonan_10]

Is anyone else a little worried about a KP depth?
Outside of Francis and Drapper who else do we have?

Stewart
Brown
Bellchambers
& Dea as undersized kpd

Under no circumstances can you regard TBC as a KP. Maybe as a one-off.

[Speedy_Gonzales]

Pretty sure ruck is a key position.

And outside of that he can play as fwd/ruck if Hooker had to be sent back in desperation. JD CHF