It was of massively false propositions.
Jesus, you think the BETTER option would have been for Obama to have actually INVADED SYRIA?
Here’s a few questions:
- what makes you think a US invasion/occupation of Syria would have turned out any different to the invasion/occupation of Iraq?
- what makes you think Iran wouldn’t have supported an insurgency in Syria just like they did in Iraq?
- what makes you think Russia would not have offered material support to a Syrian resistance/insurgency movement, given they are geographically quite close to Syria and have been allies since the 50s and 60s?
- how do you think Turkey would have reacted to the US taking active military action that would have inevitably resulted in an expanded and more independent Kurdistan, given that preventing Kurdish independence is Turkey’s #1 foreign policy priority.
I can’t comprehend anyone who’s lived through the past 17 years saying ‘you know what, we should invade and occupy ANOTHER middle eastern country, that’ll solve all our problems.’
Yikes.
Edit: hang on, I may have misunderstood you here, on a second reading. If you were saying that an invasion might have worked if it weren’t for iran and Russia, then we’re probably on the same page. But still, Obama had the option of not getting involved at all, and instead he flew drone strikes and assassinated leaders and supplied arms and so on and so on. Actually just saying ‘nope, not our problem’ does not seem to have occurred to anyone, or anyone in power, at least.
That’s not what I said. Did you read what I wrote?
Edit: you sort of read what I wrote. His plan B was the lesser of 2 bad options.
I did, and I misunderstood, which is why i added the edit… 
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Oh and btw, I agree that Bush and Obama should never have gotten involved in the ME at all. Never ever should have gone there, never ever should have stuck their noses in.
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Iraq - WMD.
Syria - which gas? Chlorine?
What a farkin’ arseclown he is:
This might be better!
Tossa wants back in to the TPP now too, … which, with his “Better Deal,/ America 1st” bullshit, coupled with Turdballs sychophantism to 'merica, and Big Business, … holds some fkn scary prospects.
Donerld plz.
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Huh? Trump did this with no congressional approval, so blaming the Dems/Repubs is ridiculous. It is him and his military, he is the commander in chief.
And just to be clear, what exactly do you think Obama should have done about Syria? Because you seem to be blaming him a lot, without saying what the right answer was that he didn’t take.
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They left out in between “Chile 1973” and “Argentina 1976”: “Australia 1975”
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Maybe read a bit before you comment.
Syria: Israel and Lebanon
Iran: Iraq, Lebanon and most other places around the ME.
Hmm, didn’t reply to the bit I pointed out was wrong.
And then say “read a bit”. From what I can “read”, you’ve said:
- Do it like the Israeli’s do it if you have to
- (in response to HM saying Turnbull/May/Trudeau are supportive) “So you would prefer they do nothing and allow chemical weapons attacks?”
- that bombing the chemical storehouses and the airfields that flew out the chemicals “seems pretty reasonable to me (you)”
- that the arab spring was the fault of it all, where “The US stoked the Arab spring by arming every opposition it could find. That was all Obama.” (clearly wrong)
- Option B (giving small arms to limited rebel groups) was wrong and “why we are here today” (although you think it might have worked if not for others’ actions)
- that Bush & Obama should have never got involved in the ME at all, which seems a bit ridiculous for Obama given the USA had troops in the ME when he became president
- and “he (Obama) should have had the balls to see it through BEFORE Iran and Russia started backing Assad.”
So sorry if I’m not sure in all the contradictions you’ve posted that I’m a little unclear on what you think should have been the response by Obama. You seem to have said they should not be involved, and they should have fully invaded…
Bwahahaha mission accomplished??!
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It is easy to take multiple posts as part of a conversation and edit them to sound like they do.
The reality is the Arab Spring very much was Obama and even the CNN have said that as well as other commentators from around the world (no go look it up yourself). Yes he inherited some of the ME issues (such as Iraq) however instead of pulling out he started arming different groups. He should have pulled out and left the place. But once he didn’t and decided to go in there the way he was he should heave moved more quickly instead of playing around the edges. You either go in or you don’t and because he hesitated he lost the chance to get rid of Assad. Now Russia and Iran are holding Assad in power (for their own purposes). His option may have worked but he didn’t go in hard enough.
My position was he shouldn’t have been involved at all. Just remove US troops from the region and let the place go.
None of them should have gone in. Bush Snr, Bush Jnr, Obama and now Trump. I am not blaming Obama for everything wrong over there but I am blaming him for the parts he was involved in. Just as I blame Bush 1 & 2 for the things they did, the freaking idiots they were (2 shocking Presidents imo).
Trump’s response though is reasonable under the grounds of a chemical weapons attack. It is mostly done for his ego because he couldn’t let France and the UK do it and the US not be involved. But still the attack was reasonably well done. My criticism is the length of time it took to put it into action because, as HM points out, it limits the actual effectiveness by a long margin. You either do it like the Israeli’s, in and out with surgical precision, or you don’t do it at all. Half measures never work.
But the reality is only one thing keeps the US over there: oil.
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Huh?
All 4 of them used the same excuse of chemical weapons. Its been rinse and repeat for decades
No the first Iraq war was about “Iraq invading Kuwait” (and the oil) and the second was general WMD’s (with some chemical) but was just the son finishing what daddy didn’t.
Obama wasn’t about chemical weapons because he drew a red line and they crossed it and he didn’t do anything about it. Obama was more about trying to remove a number of dictators who were brutalising their own people and allegedly destabilising the region.