The “chemical attack” on Douma was absolutely a false flag. The OPCW’s report found no nerve agents whatsoever.
At that point, Assad and the Syrian military had been routing ISIS/Al Nusra Front and were winning comprehensively. What reason on earth did Assad have to just randomly gas his own people?
No, no nerve agents you’re right, but widely regarded to have been chlorine based bombs. Chlorine is a chemical, though its use as a weapon was at the time outside of restricted substances. From the BBC, “The patients showed signs of “respiratory distress, central cyanosis [blue skin or lips], excessive oral foaming, corneal burns, and the emission of chlorine-like odour”, a joint statement issued on Sunday said. One woman who died had convulsions and pinpoint pupils.
Rescue workers searching homes in the affected area also found the bodies of people with oral foaming, cyanosis, and corneal burns, the statement added.” These were some of the 1700 civilians killed in that bombing.
I don’t know what Assad’s motivations are, or Putin’s or Trump’s. I do think, as do many others with far greater insight than you or I, that Trump made one more idiotic and reckless move, quite possibly for very dubious reasons connected to his own person. Do you agree?
Good to see some QAnon photoshopping appear in the thread. Long overdue.
You seem to take for granted that the attack was performed by the Syrian government. Can you elaborate why? Assad is just some madman who randomly attacks his own people? Even if this were true, there was absolutely no military justification / advantage to be gained from doing so. Engage your brain here please (I don’t mean any offence) - Assad gained absolutely NOTHING from doing so. The event sparked the wrath of the U.S which led to a severe air raid by Britain, France and the States on Syrian sovereign territory.
Who gained the most from this? Was it Assad? Absolutely not. Of course it was the “rebels” (read - terrorists) who stood to gain most from this action. The source for the “chemical attack” was the NGO the White Helmets who have long been outed as a propaganda construct who are in bed with AQ/Al Nusra Front. Famed investigative journalist Sy Hersh documented that the attack
was actually carried out by terrorist groups with the support of Turkey and Saudi Arabia
You seem very attached to this. I don’t know the truth of what’s happening on the ground or in the air. It’s never been my contention, it may well have been Santa Claus. I’ve been talking about Trump’s decision and you keep side stepping it.
For what it’s worth “In February, forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad launched an assault on the Eastern Ghouta that reportedly left more than 1,700 civilians dead.” If you’re suggesting that the rebels on the ground created the chlorine bombs then you may be right - we’ll likely never know - but it is interesting that the Russians sent in a specialist forensic team who found zero evidence of chemical traces yet the White Hats and medical teams found plenty including exploded canisters.
Again, I don’t know shiit. Neither do you. What do you make of Trump’s astonishing decision?
Everyone finds out about things from tweets when it comes to Trump. Bizarre isn’t even a word i would use on it anymore.
Just curious what you believe that actually looks like? What do you think the US should do or have achieved before total withdrawal? At one point I thought the removal of Assad was the best outcome but I have to confess - I have no idea if there even is a good &/or bad side in this conflict. I have no idea if peace outside of Assad crushing all opposition is or ever was possible without massive escalation from the US & allies. I don’t think this is like Iraq where there can be no doubting the Allies obligation & ability to re-build the country. What exactly are the US troops doing there ATM & what can they do to clean up?
Well before I get upset and call you names. I know for a fact that details leaked through Assange put my Son ( amongst others ) in more serious risk of death while he was in Afghanistan.
You can be a bleeding heart and hate the USA, but I have no doubt that Assange should be in a dark hole with the other vermin.
Yep, it is personal for me.
Which is what it is all about. There’s a lot of noise in here lately, but little of any substance.
Hard to do when talking about Trump
I’m truly sorry you had to go through that BUT I’ll say this and I mean no offence…
Vent your animosity at the war criminal Howard, not Assange who exposed all the lies and atrocities.
A rapist hiding in a closet working in cahoots with Putin? Yeah nah.
Reckon calling Howard a war criminal is just nonsense. Democractically elected Government made unilateral decision supported by all of Parliament.
Most Government and many people have secrets, and why do you think it OK but a sleazebag rapist like Julian to be allowed to put lives at risk.
He deserves to die.
Not sure about die @Bacchusfox, but I have no issue with him spending many years in a 10x5 foot cell with minimal contact with the outside world.
Has nothing to do with whether it’s a war crime or not.
This is a good question, and I will return to it.
However, I’ve started drinking and find that to be a better prospect for now.
Remind me if I forget.
Just a reminding Dingus, don’t forget you were drinking.
Not to pull the fresh scab off this weeping thread but a rudimentary reply would maybe go along the lines of preventing carte blanche for Russia and maintaining something resembling US hegemony (problematic at the best of times but probably softer than scorched earth dictatorship). Apart from other stuff like making sure the Kurds aren’t buried alive which they now will be, and gettin some of that precious pipeline, the real game. It’s one more shiit show in a what’s been a much talked about season of “The World This Decade” on Netflix I think.
Correct.
And they were not “democratically elected” on this issue or anything like it.
An overwhelming majority of people in this country opposed this illegal war which was just solely motivated to get US Companies access to Iraqi oil.
Even most LNP voters opposed joining Bush’s war but as soon as Honest John said we would support it, they forgot their principles and fell in line.