Our first two seconds should match where the kako bid comes easily.
We then have another second rounder and 3 other selections that will all come in once brisbanes picks disappear and the suns later selections go too with their academy match
Giving us probably the equivalent of
Kako and 3 second rounders in a regular year.
I dont think we will trade back in at all.
I really hope we keep bout Future firsts through the draft.
Melbourne could fall away quite dramatically. Could be a top 5 pick.
Agree.
Plus the entertainment of death riding Melbourne, while hoping we turn Harley Reid’s head our way will be very entertaining while we tank to the bottom of the ladder to make the most of the Draper compensation.
Disagree with this. We should be doing absolutely everything possible to get another top pick in this year’s draft. We know how this year’s crop stacks up. Experts are saying the top 20 to 30 players this year in the draft are very even and the number of players to be taken in the draft based of delistings is likely to be large given the overall depth of the draft. Getting the pick in this year also brings forward the development (or lack of usually in our case) of the draftee.
As for next year we have absolutely no idea how good the draft will be or how either us or Melbourne will perform. A bird in the hand should always worth more.
It is worth more. Too much more. Keep the future pick.
The part I don’t get is why every one is so keen to trade out of next years in a draft documented for its top end talent for a draft that is deep.
The whole thing about this draft being deep is that you’ll still get a decent player at 20 and probably a similar rated player at 30 it doesn’t mean this draft is better than last year or next years.
Where as if we hold next year where the top of that draft is of higher quality then having two picks to be able to move up into a better position like a top 3 pick would in the long run be of better value.
It would be like losing a shot at a Horne Francis, Daicos or Sam Darcy level player to bring in a Hobbs
Nah its fine, just twice before round 11 and we’re good
Ken Oath I’m hoping we only win 1 game and thats against Melbourne, 2 tops if we play them twice.
Neds moar “purposeful innovation”.
Hopefully it’ll be none of our business.
I detest Harley Reid and everything he stands for and can’t wait to embrace him as our next captain.
AFL will wash their hands of it, but wouldn’t be surprised if ASADA are still investigating other players.
If it’s not banned out of competition, it’s none of their business if they haven’t tested positive within the match day time frame.
It would come under the AFL/AFLPA Code on illicit drugs.
It is if they (ASADA) can prove it was purchased with the intent of using it for performance enhancing purposes (or rather, if the athlete in question can’t prove it wasn’t for the purposes of performance enhancement), or if it was purchased with the intent of on-selling it, or if it was purchased from someone currently serving a doping violation.
Where is that specified in the WADA rules?
The SIA site has an explainer on cocaine doping rules. Trafficking applies to the supplier, not to the persons supplied . The site also has an explainer on the differentiation between WADA rules, the sport federation rules and relevant criminal law.
The SIA explainer provides that testing for cocaine is only carried out within a specified time before match day and on match day.
There are a number of AFL players who have been found to have used illicit drugs , including cocaine, who have not come under WADA anti-doping rules.
If it’s not banned out of competition and if they haven’t tested positive within the specified WADA comp time frames , how could it be claimed that they acquired the drug for use as performance enhancing in their sport.?
IIRC, WADA relaxed the rules on recreational drugs against evidence that they were not performance enhancing except within a specified period and quantity in the body from a test around match day.
The Global DRO information site specifies drugs and methods banned at all times and others which are banned within a certain period.
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2/ I am aware that trafficking only refers to a supplier. Not sure how that is a counter argument to ASADA investigating this further?
3/ This doesn’t have anything to do with other players testing positive to cocaine on match day.
4/ Likely because ASADA haven’t been notified those players have tested positive, or because they haven’t had a game day positive ASADA has had no foot hold to investigate further.
5/ As it is a prohibited substance the onus is on the athlete to prove to the anti-doping authority that they did not intend to use it for doping.
6/ Again, I am well aware they you cannot receive an infraction notice for an out of competition positive test for certain substances. That doesn’t mean they escape an infraction if they’ve been found guilty of one of the other 10 violations.
Will anything more come of this?
Maybe. Maybe not.
But just because Smith has been sanctioned doesn’t inherently mean that ASADA have concluded all of their investigations into the matter.
It was a wank case by SIA.Smith should have got 3 months and end of the story.
According to the SIA site, only Smith and Dank have been caught for trafficking or attempted trafficking.
Smith’s SIA charge sheet:
He also has a possession charge for 9/9/2022.
Maybe he and some of his mates got pinged earlier under the AFL/AFLPA three strikes system where the names are not disclosed.
This is exactly my argument. Lots of athletes have been pinged for match day positives for illicit drugs. You have to be naive not to think that in some cases, these athletes would have shared with other athletes, and if you checked their phones you would find trafficking type texts.
The closest type case I can find is Dr Freeman who was the doctor for the Team Sky and the UK track cycling team who was pinged for having banned substances on site.
Melbourne beat Hawthorn on 20/8/23, the day he tested positive
Melbourne lost to Brisbane on 9/9/2022 ( a Friday night match) the date of the possession charge.
I think Smith played in both games.
Some relay teams were disqualified in the Olympics because one of the team failed a doping test.
Freeman got 4 years for having Testogel cream in his possession, which I think is prohibited at all times, not just in comp.
Dank was also found in breach of WADA rules for possession ( as well as trafficking/attempted trafficking).