Only thing that is certain, is the capsicum spray company has a solid po to fill Monday morning
Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Pol Pot, Kim Jong, Chavez etc... would never hurt a fly!
since when did the left represent dictatorship? The far left is where civil rights, feminism, social equality, anti war and environmental movements where born.
“Radical left” and “Far left” aren’t the same thing
"Radical left" and "Far left" aren't the same thing
this, same goes for the right. No one with half a brain thinks that those Reclaim idiots represent the far right.
Correct. They were the radical or redneck right, who don’t even know that they are.
The far right wouldn’t come down from their Ivory towers or get within an MCG longroom of those toothless idiots.
Sunshine is the best disinfectant.
Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Pol Pot, Kim Jong, Chavez etc... would never hurt a fly!since when did the left represent dictatorship? The far left is where civil rights, feminism, social equality, anti war and environmental movements where born.
The Union Movement you mean
divided and conquered
Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Pol Pot, Kim Jong, Chavez etc... would never hurt a fly!since when did the left represent dictatorship? The far left is where civil rights, feminism, social equality, anti war and environmental movements where born.
The Union Movement you mean
The union movement has a lot to be proud of, but it’s pretty hard to justify the the above list as being among them.
Understandably, unions are mostly concerned about the welfare of their members. Which is entirely fair enough (that’s what unions are FOR, after all…), but at times it can mean they oppose necessary change. You can’t argue that, for instance, Arthur ‘Two Wongs don’t make a white’ Calwell was a shining beacon of hope in the civil rights and anti-racism debates. Or that the modern CFMEU has been a beacon of environmental progessivism, especially when it comes to issues like old-growth logging.
As for the anti-war movement, well, I don’t know what the actual leadership of the unions at the time said, but the ALP has solidly supported the last three foreign wars Australia has engaged in - Iraq, Afghanistan, and thirdly and most unforgivably stupidly, Iraq again.
At least 10 people tried to reclaim Hobart
When’s your flight?
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/police-condemn-violence-as-protesters-clash-at-parliament-house-20150718-gifbl8.htmlSeriously
- Reclaim Australia and UPF, don’t use the Australian flag like that, you don’t represent what most of us stand for
- AR Protesters, using violence to get your point across kind of defeats the point in the first place
bunch of rednecks
A bunch of stupid people did a bunch of stupid sht? Colour me shocked.
Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Pol Pot, Kim Jong, Chavez etc... would never hurt a fly!since when did the left represent dictatorship? The far left is where civil rights, feminism, social equality, anti war and environmental movements where born.
Since when are those people I listed not left wing leaders? You think of the left as the source of all warm and fuzzy ideas. The reality is that many of history’s greatest atrocities have been committed by left wing regimes. Now I’m not going to start voting Liberal any time soon for that reason, but I’m not going to kid myself that left=good and right=bad.
Pol Pot was left wing in the same way “The People’s Free Democratic Republic Of…” is any of those things; the same way Stalinist Russia had anything to do with communist ideals.
ie nothing.
‘left’ and ‘right’ is meaninglessly simplistic.
Dictators are dictators. They answer to themselves, they write the ideology to fit what they want to do, not the other way around.
All those you listed have far more to do with Mugabe or Genghis Khan or Caesar than ‘left’ or ‘right’ wing.
Lenin, Stalin, Zedong, Pol Pot, Kim Jong, Chavez etc... would never hurt a fly!since when did the left represent dictatorship? The far left is where civil rights, feminism, social equality, anti war and environmental movements where born.
Since when are those people I listed not left wing leaders? You think of the left as the source of all warm and fuzzy ideas. The reality is that many of history’s greatest atrocities have been committed by left wing regimes. Now I’m not going to start voting Liberal any time soon for that reason, but I’m not going to kid myself that left=good and right=bad.
It’s obvious that some see left as liberalism and some see left as socialism.
if you see left as freedom and tolerance then you wouldn’t include stalin and mao. if you see left as valuing society over the individual then you would.
Of course totalitarianism is a leftist construct, and millions have died because of this idea. Attributing feel-good stuff like tolerance and freedom to the left (or right) is a load of hokey.
Of course totalitarianism is a leftist construct, and millions have died because of this idea. Attributing feel-good stuff like tolerance and freedom to the left (or right) is a load of hokey.
surely the military enslavement of a society for the profit of the few in power is a rightist ideal. i.e. lying about the interests of everyone to benefit yourself and your friends and then using financial and power dominance to enforce your rule.
Wouldn’t you have to actually institute communism instead of a slave empire for communism to really be the problem and not just a shell game to profit yourself?
If I brainwash you on leftist ideals to help sell you mars bars “for the good of the people,” am I really a leftist?
Of course totalitarianism is a leftist construct, and millions have died because of this idea. Attributing feel-good stuff like tolerance and freedom to the left (or right) is a load of hokey.surely the military enslavement of a society for the profit of the few in power is a rightist ideal. i.e. lying about the interests of everyone to benefit yourself and your friends and then using financial and power dominance to enforce your rule.
Wouldn’t you have to actually institute communism instead of a slave empire for communism to really be the problem and not just a shell game to profit yourself?
If I brainwash you on leftist ideals to help sell you mars bars “for the good of the people,” am I really a leftist?
Thats my point exactly
Of course totalitarianism is a leftist construct, and millions have died because of this idea. Attributing feel-good stuff like tolerance and freedom to the left (or right) is a load of hokey.surely the military enslavement of a society for the profit of the few in power is a rightist ideal. i.e. lying about the interests of everyone to benefit yourself and your friends and then using financial and power dominance to enforce your rule.
Wouldn’t you have to actually institute communism instead of a slave empire for communism to really be the problem and not just a shell game to profit yourself?
If I brainwash you on leftist ideals to help sell you mars bars “for the good of the people,” am I really a leftist?
So because the left is corruptible (like the right), it’s not really the left? So does it extend that Hitler and Mussolini aren’t really right-wing leaders because of their perverted political ideologies?
Of course totalitarianism is a leftist construct, and millions have died because of this idea. Attributing feel-good stuff like tolerance and freedom to the left (or right) is a load of hokey.surely the military enslavement of a society for the profit of the few in power is a rightist ideal. i.e. lying about the interests of everyone to benefit yourself and your friends and then using financial and power dominance to enforce your rule.
Wouldn’t you have to actually institute communism instead of a slave empire for communism to really be the problem and not just a shell game to profit yourself?
If I brainwash you on leftist ideals to help sell you mars bars “for the good of the people,” am I really a leftist?
So because the left is corruptible (like the right), it’s not really the left? So does it extend that Hitler and Mussolini aren’t really right-wing leaders because of their perverted political ideologies?
No the left is at its fundamental core the philosophy that mankind is bettered through self sacrifice for the good of all and the right is at it’s core the philosophy that mankind cannot help but be purely self interested and that systems should be enacted to leverage individual self interest in a fashion that benefits everyone.
If you falsify a doctrine of self sacrifice for the benefit of yourself you are acting in the fashion of rightist philosophy not leftist.
Reading the thread & I’m thinking … we are about one post away from Godwins law coming into effect, … then there it was, & really only just beat me, as I was about to introduce the fact that debate still goes on about whether Hitler was right , or left.
For me, in these situations mentioned, (dictatorships) these megalomaniacs ride into power on a left/socialist agenda, then once they have it, they turn 180o to the right & become total fascists .
It’s not that hard to get. Denocracy suits the right until they have power, then it doesn’t, & they try to undermine it.
It’s happening like that here in Aus right now. Attacks on the ABC… whistle blower laws … etc. Deceptive, cunning, right wing Govs’s abhor scrutiny.