He doesn’t seem to refer to himself in a third person alias…
Good start.
Yet last year Freo is the only side we beat, who had that physical nature of the top sides, and we were pretty much ragdolled by the others, even when we were playing well. Then there's the fact once the tide turns it turns harshly.
Yeah, I'm not sure we are really all that lacking in that area.The team needed this.
They need to go another level in physicality within their game.
The pressure from Freo, Hawks, Sydney and Geelong will be the benchmark.
The punishment needs to go both ways.
Consistency in being able to maintain that level of pressure, I'd agree with. But the physical side of it? I actually think we're fine.
But I'm sure Mr Fights-100-guys will help. In some way. I guess.
Seeing the extremes some hardcore martial arts people go to, to get their body ready for fights, I can only imagine it'll help, in the sense players should be better prepared to take harder knocks. Whether that translates into better performances, providing you have the quality to stand up to a better bruising.
But why downplay the Freo game? They were rated as 'the' physical pressure team, yet we not only stood up to them, we overpowered them in the second half.
We dropped our intensity off, and we struggled to do it consistently over the year. But in the actual physical contest... I don't think anybody rag dolled us.
I agree. maybe i'm looking at things through rose coloured glasses but the top 4 sides we lost to last year didn't beat us because they were bigger, stronger and more committed to the contest.
1. we didn't get toweled up physically by the cats, we lost because we didn't kick straight and because our ball movement completely fell apart in the 2nd quarter up to which point we were in a very strong position.
2. we hung in there against the swans in very wet conditions on a small ground and had the slightest of sniffs early in the last but we were cruelled by the loss of two players (particularly demspey) and ran out of puff. Our skills didn't stand up in the conditions but i would hardly say we were rag dolled.
3. the hawks steamed rolled us without 3 keys players (jobe, fletch and licha) at a time when the media tide against us was just beginning to bite. All the same we started very well and a few dicey calls by the umpire helped them get into it early. We also got our match ups wrong and buddy had a night out (and kicked straight for the first time in months). hurley should have played on buddy without a shadow of a doubt, his shoulder to shoulder style is far more suited to buddy than carlisle's
in none of those games were we worked over physically and i don't think our work at the contest has been an issue for a couple of years (indeed we now have one of if not the biggest midfield in the comp).
speed, ball movement and delivery are our issues
Yet last year Freo is the only side we beat, who had that physical nature of the top sides, and we were pretty much ragdolled by the others, even when we were playing well. Then there's the fact once the tide turns it turns harshly.
Yeah, I'm not sure we are really all that lacking in that area.The team needed this.
They need to go another level in physicality within their game.
The pressure from Freo, Hawks, Sydney and Geelong will be the benchmark.
The punishment needs to go both ways.
Consistency in being able to maintain that level of pressure, I'd agree with. But the physical side of it? I actually think we're fine.
But I'm sure Mr Fights-100-guys will help. In some way. I guess.
Seeing the extremes some hardcore martial arts people go to, to get their body ready for fights, I can only imagine it'll help, in the sense players should be better prepared to take harder knocks. Whether that translates into better performances, providing you have the quality to stand up to a better bruising.
But why downplay the Freo game? They were rated as 'the' physical pressure team, yet we not only stood up to them, we overpowered them in the second half.
We dropped our intensity off, and we struggled to do it consistently over the year. But in the actual physical contest... I don't think anybody rag dolled us.
By the end of the season they were yes, they were still learning the craft early season, and by mid to late season had perfected it, So by no means were they at the peak of their powers when we played em (not to take anything away from the win, just a bit of context)
Geelong from half way through the second qtr dominated us, and we played into their hands
Sydney game we were monstered. oh but it was raining and it suited Sydneys bigger harder bodies right ? well that was the excuse.
Hawthorn absolutely maul us from siren to siren pretty much every year bar 3 games since the line in the sand game.
Freo Monstered us for a half to. but yes they found a way to claw it back and win
However when the heat is really on against those top sides, our teams over the years have simply fizzled under the extreme pressure of the top sides. So while we can get away with it against mid to lower sides (in the early part of seasons when our form is ok) against the big boys, we suck.
Freo didn’t monster us. At all. But we don’t count that game right? Because Freo wernt really up and about yet? (even though they were)
But the Hawthorn game counts?
Yeah, hawthorn monstered us, again. But I don’t really take too much from that game, for pretty obvious reasons.
I think the whole ‘we get monstered by good teams’ is similar to the whole ‘we have no midfield.’ at some point, you have to acknowledge that it’s not the problem it once was.
Yet last year Freo is the only side we beat, who had that physical nature of the top sides, and we were pretty much ragdolled by the others, even when we were playing well. Then there's the fact once the tide turns it turns harshly.
Yeah, I'm not sure we are really all that lacking in that area.The team needed this.
They need to go another level in physicality within their game.
The pressure from Freo, Hawks, Sydney and Geelong will be the benchmark.
The punishment needs to go both ways.
Consistency in being able to maintain that level of pressure, I'd agree with. But the physical side of it? I actually think we're fine.
But I'm sure Mr Fights-100-guys will help. In some way. I guess.
Seeing the extremes some hardcore martial arts people go to, to get their body ready for fights, I can only imagine it'll help, in the sense players should be better prepared to take harder knocks. Whether that translates into better performances, providing you have the quality to stand up to a better bruising.
But why downplay the Freo game? They were rated as 'the' physical pressure team, yet we not only stood up to them, we overpowered them in the second half.
We dropped our intensity off, and we struggled to do it consistently over the year. But in the actual physical contest... I don't think anybody rag dolled us.
By the end of the season they were yes, they were still learning the craft early season, and by mid to late season had perfected it, So by no means were they at the peak of their powers when we played em (not to take anything away from the win, just a bit of context)
Geelong from half way through the second qtr dominated us, and we played into their hands
Sydney game we were monstered. oh but it was raining and it suited Sydneys bigger harder bodies right ? well that was the excuse.
Hawthorn absolutely maul us from siren to siren pretty much every year bar 3 games since the line in the sand game.
Freo Monstered us for a half to. but yes they found a way to claw it back and win
However when the heat is really on against those top sides, our teams over the years have simply fizzled under the extreme pressure of the top sides. So while we can get away with it against mid to lower sides (in the early part of seasons when our form is ok) against the big boys, we suck.
we had more inside 50s than syndey and geelong, getting the ball wasn't the issue, ball use was. rubbish forward structure and high long entries will not win too many games against quality sides. There are still a few panic merchants in the midfield and we do need to work on our tendency to rush blind kicks out of stoppages if we are going to improve.
Bellchambers, Watson, Hocking, Goddard, Myers, Howlett and Melksham through the middle
Hibberd, Hurley* and Baguely in the back half
Chappy up forward
That’s a fair chunk of our best 22 that I’d consider “physical”
This will be like with Kevin Love tried to do knuckle pushups and broke his hand and missed most of the year.
Reason maybe the kumite's are kyokushin karate - no contact to the head. It's basically tough sparring.
Would prefer he taught punches to the head, but it's a start I guess
Good for conditioning and those guys are tough but yeah, only body shots.
What about the nuts? Surely you can belt them in the nuts? Otherwise, this "100 man fight" isounds more like me and the kids wrestling in the front room.
Freo didn't monster us. At all. But we don't count that game right? Because Freo wernt really up and about yet? (even though they were)
But the Hawthorn game counts?
Yeah, hawthorn monstered us, again. But I don't really take too much from that game, for pretty obvious reasons.
I think the whole 'we get monstered by good teams' is similar to the whole 'we have no midfield.' at some point, you have to acknowledge that it's not the problem it once was.
it was 7 goals 5 to 1 .5 at half time and we could barely get it past the centerline, so yeah they kinda did.
The hawthorn game is just a continuation of recent history, so that's why I personally take it into account.
Geez PP & ivan, just accept it, DP’s right even when he’s not.
Oh, so kicking more goals = monstering?
You need to watch the Freo game again. Physicality wasn’t an issue. At any stage.
When we played Freo they weren't the same physical, pressuring side you saw when they played last couple of weeks of H&A season and the finals. also we were playing with a lot of emotion for Hirdy in that game. I take nothing away from Essendon it was a fantastic win against a premiership contender.
They beat Geelong at Skilled!! destroyed Sydney at Subi whom were the benchmark and made them look like a reserves team that night.
They didn't play the best on GF day, mostly stage fright but were in the contest.
They will be the benchmark for 2014.
Our physicality needs to improve in our defence game all round, laying more tackles, making them stick, more physical in the forward 50 and attack the ball carrier more so not allowing space or the easy kick to clear from danger.
Oh, so kicking more goals = monstering?
You need to watch the Freo game again. Physicality wasn't an issue. At any stage.
They pushed the limit though with the holding of players after releasing of the ball, and crowded the space around our clearance players so there was just now space. Don't know that it was ministering, but I do recall be super frustrated with the lack of support we for from the umps.
Meh, we won, another epic
Yet last year Freo is the only side we beat, who had that physical nature of the top sides, and we were pretty much ragdolled by the others, even when we were playing well. Then there's the fact once the tide turns it turns harshly.
Yeah, I'm not sure we are really all that lacking in that area.The team needed this.
They need to go another level in physicality within their game.
The pressure from Freo, Hawks, Sydney and Geelong will be the benchmark.
The punishment needs to go both ways.
Consistency in being able to maintain that level of pressure, I'd agree with. But the physical side of it? I actually think we're fine.
But I'm sure Mr Fights-100-guys will help. In some way. I guess.
Seeing the extremes some hardcore martial arts people go to, to get their body ready for fights, I can only imagine it'll help, in the sense players should be better prepared to take harder knocks. Whether that translates into better performances, providing you have the quality to stand up to a better bruising.
But why downplay the Freo game? They were rated as 'the' physical pressure team, yet we not only stood up to them, we overpowered them in the second half.
We dropped our intensity off, and we struggled to do it consistently over the year. But in the actual physical contest... I don't think anybody rag dolled us.
I agree. maybe i'm looking at things through rose coloured glasses but the top 4 sides we lost to last year didn't beat us because they were bigger, stronger and more committed to the contest.
1. we didn't get toweled up physically by the cats, we lost because we didn't kick straight and because our ball movement completely fell apart in the 2nd quarter up to which point we were in a very strong position.
2. we hung in there against the swans in very wet conditions on a small ground and had the slightest of sniffs early in the last but we were cruelled by the loss of two players (particularly demspey) and ran out of puff. Our skills didn't stand up in the conditions but i would hardly say we were rag dolled.
3. the hawks steamed rolled us without 3 keys players (jobe, fletch and licha) at a time when the media tide against us was just beginning to bite. All the same we started very well and a few dicey calls by the umpire helped them get into it early. We also got our match ups wrong and buddy had a night out (and kicked straight for the first time in months). hurley should have played on buddy without a shadow of a doubt, his shoulder to shoulder style is far more suited to buddy than carlisle's
in none of those games were we worked over physically and i don't think our work at the contest has been an issue for a couple of years (indeed we now have one of if not the biggest midfield in the comp).
speed, ball movement and delivery are our issues
Ragdolled was a the wrong word to use.
When push came to shove though, when we tried to stand up against better teams, we couldn't. Yes we still got a fair bit of the ball, but lost all composure in doing so.
As you point out in the Geelong game, yes we still got plenty of the ball, and yes we missed alot of easy shots. But that's what happens against bigger, stronger and more hardened bodies with us. No point getting the ball 500 odd times and blindly kicking the ■■■■■■ thing to a loose ■■■■■■■ pods in our forwardline ( Sorry still shit with that game and the fact he was just left down there).
And esp in that Geelong game, and even Mackie said simialr after the game, they weren't as worried about our dominance around the ground, namely clearence work and center clearence work, cos it wasn't clear ball winning we were getting, it was blind bombing it forward, and he said it was easier to defend against, like they did.
That's what I'm hoping improves with this guy, if he is teaching them the methods I think. in that our players won't be as shocked and fry their brain, when we come up against the tougher harder bodies.
Yes we've been able to go in and get the ball, which is a start, now they have to do that, and still be able to use the ball, and think their way through things better, when they are getting hit hard, by bigger, tougher and better drilled sides.
Geez PP & ivan, just accept it, DP's right even when he's not.
Never said i was right, merely expressing an opinion, I'm actually enjoying dicussing things with PP and Ivan, they are 2 of the less sanctimonius posters around here, who will actually indulge in a bit of dicussion on what I actually say, not how I used to be.
So in conclusion…
This guy punching our guys in the stomach, will improve our forward entries.
Well, a gut punch surely assists with forward exits, so ...
How will this improve Jetta’s game?
He did need to harden up around the contest.
Break out year Jetta!
It's all about skills - last two years we have been in the top 2 or 3 for DE in the first half of the year, then it drops away to bottom 4 for the second half of the year. We have to kick the ball better - No if's and but's.
Freo didn't monster us. At all. But we don't count that game right? Because Freo wernt really up and about yet? (even though they were)
But the Hawthorn game counts?
Yeah, hawthorn monstered us, again. But I don't really take too much from that game, for pretty obvious reasons.
I think the whole 'we get monstered by good teams' is similar to the whole 'we have no midfield.' at some point, you have to acknowledge that it's not the problem it once was.
I agree, I don't think Freo monstered us at all. What they did to us was pure containment. They did not allow us any space around the ball or for our runners to get clear. This wasn't done through physical contact stuff so much as pressure with their presence in the right places. Pretty much the same with Sydney.