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[werewolf]

I think if you take the time to read my post it related to the behavior towards another poster. I’m in agreement that the sentence was inadequate.
However if you want to make it mean something else, go for it.

[wimmera1]

It’s how the left behave.

Eh.

[Heffsgirl]

It’s how the left behave. When it comes to something vaguely racial each needs to act more outraged than the other.
Apparently burning down someone’s house is a measured and reasonable response.
For what it’s worth I think the guy should have got a longer sentence. I’d doubt it’s manslaughter though.

I agree except for the left bit. I’m a lefty so how does that figure in your left/right view of the world?

[IceTemple]

Time to stop ganging up on Scorpio, guys.
She has

Wait what? Scorpio is a lady? Never knew that.

[werewolf]

Looking by the posts in response to Scorpio, pretty poorly for the most part (not saying you specifically)

[dingus]

Yes, we should all be more tolerant of those who ho cry “fake news” when presented with facts, and subsequently list facts as examples of “fake news”.

[beastie]

I find what you and others are doing in this thread far more offensive.

Carrying on about being labelled and denigrated while telling everyone else they can’t read andtheir thoughts on the matter are political only.

Turning this discussion topic into a “i’m not racist, I’m right, you’re left” discussion that has included bringing up the fault of the boy’s community in his death - tell me how that was built on truth and facts presented - is exactly the issue with this thread.

[Heffsgirl]

Who is saying it was the fault of the boys community???

[Humble_Minion]

Whoever it was up thread who was wondering why there was no mea culpa from the boy’s community.

‘Mea culpa’ means, very literally, ‘I am culpable’.

[wimmera1]

Huh.
Makes sense.
I always thought it was ‘through my own fault’ for some reason, but that’s much more sensible.

[Scorpio]

Here’s the quote

I think where the problem lies for a lot of people is there rarely seems to be any sense of mea cupla from the indigenous community. Things always seem to happen that are other peoples fault.
Gross generalisation I know but no different to the Muslim analogy.

[Alan_Noonan_10]

Whoever it was up thread who was wondering why there was no mea culpa from the boy’s community.

‘Mea culpa’ means, very literally, ‘I am culpable’.

Literally, it means ‘my fault’…possessive adjective, then noun, gender of adjective matching gender of noun.

[IceTemple]

Literally, it means ‘my fault’…possessive adjective, then noun, gender of adjective matching gender of noun.

write that on the wall 100 times before the morning

[dingus]

Here’s the quote

I think where the problem lies for a lot of people is there rarely seems to be any sense of mea cupla from the indigenous community. Things always seem to happen that are other peoples fault.
Gross generalisation I know but no different to the Muslim analogy.

I’m genuinely confused. Are you presenting this as evidence that you don’t think the indigenous community should accept guilt?

[IceTemple]

Here’s the quote

Scorpio:

I think where the problem lies for a lot of people is there rarely seems to be any sense of mea cupla from the indigenous community. Things always seem to happen that are other peoples fault.

Gross generalisation I know but no different to the Muslim analogy.

I’m genuinely confused. Are you presenting this as evidence that you don’t think the indigenous community should accept guilt?

It was an analogy to go against a previous analogy or did you miss the last line?

[dingus]

Here’s the quote

Scorpio:

I think where the problem lies for a lot of people is there rarely seems to be any sense of mea cupla from the indigenous community. Things always seem to happen that are other peoples fault.

Gross generalisation I know but no different to the Muslim analogy.

I’m genuinely confused. Are you presenting this as evidence that you don’t think the indigenous community should accept guilt?

It was an analogy to go against a previous analogy or did you miss the last line?

I can assure you I haven’t missed any of the lines:

No one will come out and say the bike shouldn’t have been stolen or the kid shouldn’t have been riding a stolen bike (if indeed it was stolen). And there seems to be very few coming out from the indigenous community with ways to improve the lives of these kids across the board.

I said there seems to be very few coming out from the indigenous community with ways to improve the lives of these kids across the board.

Secondly what people being killed? There was one person killed and a whole lot rioting. Perhaps the rioting ones could try to work towards some solutions for the dysfunction in their own communities

[saladin]

I agree that the kids past should have no relevance to the matter, beyond whether the specific bike was stolen at the time.

But the details provided by AT are relevant to the extent that they probably show why the manslaughter charge wasnt proven and instead it became dangerous driving. AT certainly wasnt suggesting that the kid “deserved it” or the like.

Here in Vic, he may have faced a Culpable Driving charge. I presume they dont have that in WA. I can understand why the law couldnt prove manslaughter since it requires a determination of intent to harm and thats ■■■■■■ tough to do in this situation.

Fortunately, he will still spend time inside, which as i read things is totally justified.

Terrible situation, really.

[Bacchusfox]

Here’s the quote

I think where the problem lies for a lot of people is there rarely seems to be any sense of mea cupla from the indigenous community. Things always seem to happen that are other peoples fault.
Gross generalisation I know but no different to the Muslim analogy.

I do not know anything much about you Scorpio, but I have spent some time in the indigenous community of my daughter in-law and grand-kids, and the extended family, and still know only a little of this society.

However my experience is that “mea culpa” is very much part of aboriginal culture; often to its detriment. They are very much aware of their input into their existence, and how they can effect change and progress, but can feel powerless and impotent, after years of paternalism. Like every other part of society whether any action is taken is the salient point, and accepting fault is often a negative response to progress. I do sympathize with the view that controlling a wayward 14 year old is often more than a Parent can achieve; this happens everywhere.

And your view that indigenous communities fail to want to improve the lives of there kids is based on what ? I have all sorts of ideas that improve the lot of my community, but got little support generally to do it, and I find dysfunction in some parts of my Shire to be more deep-seated than in Arnhem Land.

[beastie]

You’re right. Though my anger was at the courtroom discussions not AT.

I have quite some issue with AT using “following” to describe someone going 20kms/hr faster and it was the first (only) time I’d heard it was wet (not mentioned in anything I read).
He also said the driver saw ‘his’ motor bike which was/is yet to be clarified.

It was supposed to provide context to the situation but sounded a lot like a lessening of intent/culpability. Not sure it is/was context for manslaughter falling through.

[JBOMBER]

Think you would find Big A that in Victoria he would have been charged with culpable driving, which is basically manslaughter by vehicle.

Whatever way you look at it he killed this child, and the child’s previous acts should not have been part of his defence.

Would not happen if the child was white.

Rubbish, if you think the character & past of a white kid wouldn’t have been mentioned in court then you are a fool. Of course the defence is going to try to lay as much blame on the victim as possible - thats what a competent defence does. To suggest the childs past is only admissible because of his race is nonsense.

Yep I am just a fool.

Any Court I have been in, and there have been a few, any attempt at blaming the victim has been objected to by the Prosecutor and stopped by the judge.

Visit a Court in WA or Darwin, and see the differing justice based on colour.

Just watching the news & it made me think of you when the story of a murder case came on “The jury heard today how the victim was a drug dealer & frequent user”. They didn’t say but surely must have left out the part where the victim was also indigenous hence why his character & past have been allowed into evidence…