You reckon he’s got a bit of a blind trust going on? Been a fair bit of media commentary that the Royal family will pay the bill rather than some other person implicated….
Or maybe he’s the one that can’t find himself somehow at the end of a rope because of who he is……
Tin foil hat time 
Didn’t he say it couldn’t have been him in the photo because he ‘doesn’t like hugs’?
Doesn’t like hugs, but cuddles are a different matter.
No.
What I am saying is that if he is charged with a criminal offence and found guilty his sentence should be at the lower end of the scale. That is for a judge to determine within the range of severity prescribed under the law in the State of New York.
According to the reference below, I think Andrew would fall into the range of 4 years, however note that for this charge has a lower limit of 17 years of age, not 18, but it clearly indicates that the offence is at the lower end of severity: 4 years, whereas rape of a younger person in the first degree carries a 25 year maximum sentence
There are three degrees of Statutory Rape:
Statutory Rape in the 1st Degree is defined as intercourse with a minor 11 years of age or younger, or with a minor under 13 years of age when the defendant is 18 years of age or older. This crime is classified as a B felony, which is punishable by up to 25 years in prison.
Statutory Rape in the 2nd Degree is defined as intercourse with a person under 15 years of age, when the defendant is over 18 years old. If the defendant is less than 4 years older than the victim, it can be an affirmative defense to this crime. It is considered a D felony, which is punishable by 7 years in prison.
Statutory Rape in the 3rd Degree is defined as having intercourse with a victim that is less than 17 years of age when the defendant is 21 years of age or older. This crime is an E felony, punishable by up to 4 years in prison.
If the incidents happened in other US states or in the UK where the age of consent is 16 would there be legal grounds to bring a criminal or civil case against Andy?
She wasn’t 17 when she was groomed and coerced, and even if she was stop being a ■■■■■■■ jerk about it.
Again, Virginia was not the only woman to give evidence, not the only woman involved and they were not all 17 year olds and she wasn’t when she was groomed. Step outside your own psychology and listen to how these girls were preyed on and what they went through - how they were coerced, conditioned. You reckon they went in thinking, “this will be a great way to get an out of court settlement down the track, I’m in for the long haul.”
You know who did have an idea what they were doing? Epstein and his entourage which included Prince Andrew - they were ■■■■■■■ minors.
Arguing that they were 16 or 6 is irrelevant in this situation.
Mr/Ms or non-Binary Zimmer, with deep respect GAGF
Touche. I did go off a bit reactive, but with respect I don’t reckon it’s as straight forward as you paint it. She didn’t just end up in a room with creepy men all of a sudden. Anyway.
I am pretty binary in my responses to your posts, which are pretty equal each way - usually with more composure if I respond. In this case I retain my position but apologize for my aggressive language.
I’m not taking the ■■■■ Mr. Fox. I’m actually working on communicating less emotionally in cases such as this. Same to @chris_64 While don’t think a discussion about the relative heinousness of P. Andrews situation is that relevant, I didn’t need to get aggressive. It’s generally a waste of energy that can be used more productively.
I am always reactive, that is my only charm.
Be emotional, much better than being a boring old fark like @percebushby
Nah, it’s too trendy to be a Bacchus Basher. But I’ll try not to be boring. It’s always only a stones throw from a glass house.
Come off it, Patrick. There’s no one quite as boring as a rusted-on Labor Stalinist who likes to pretend he’s a leftie.
I’ve made very few posts in this thread, and none about the former Ms Virginia Roberts, so you don’t know what my position is on this matter, but anyone would think you’d be looking anywhere you could for allies given the reaction to your posts in this thread, rather than gratuitously insult someone who for all you know might support you here. Shyt for brains.
Don’t be so precious. You get into me all the time, and I just wear it. It was meant in jest, and I will not be mean and nasty to you in future.
So… here is why Andrew was enticed into the honey trap that caused him so much grief and cost his mum so much money.
Leaving aside the personal damage to an under age girl, abetting this scam is even worse;
“A senior royal, even if tainted, is always a potent magnet abroad,” Brown continues. “Epstein confided to a friend that he used to fly the Duke of York to obscure foreign markets, where governments were obliged to receive him, and Epstein went along as HRH’s investment adviser. With Andrew as frontman, Epstein could negotiate deals with these (often) shady players.”
I dont know why they bothered using quotation marks for madam regarding maxwell.
She was charged and convicted as one.
You would believe something written by Tina Brown?
Who’s Tina Brown when she’s at home?
Ghislaine Maxwell is trying to get an appeal for a reduced sentence. No surprise there … but I hope she remains well and truly behind bars.
The word gurge comes to mind…
Meanwhile the background to her and Epstein was well dug into in this documentary. I found it excellent but it may not be available to all. Its astonishing how Epstein basically became the world’s biggest blackmailer. And it was always smoke and mirrors around how he got his incredible wealth and how he used Maxwell as his social butterfly and thereafter deliverer of young girls. She knew what she was doing and was financially rewarded for it.
Hey I’m watching Chasing Ghislaine - Season 1. Check it out now on Prime Video!
https://watch.amazon.co.uk/detail?gti=amzn1.dv.gti.4f55766b-7966-49c1-8b28-b36d13e1d7a1&ref_=atv_dp_share_seas&r=web
Mysteriously Epstein’s little black book and CCTV tapes from Maxwell’s London home and Epstein’s sordid den in Florida where all the business happened, shock horror all disappeared. Can you imagine who was in that book and on tape given reports of who was on his plane and resident in his Florida mansion … Trump, Clinton, a number of Sheiks and various Princes, actors, PMs maybe … big businessmen. Probably all on tape.
Is it any wonder Epstein was found dead in jail before trial?
“I acted alone”!
I’m going to win my way into his affections by feeding his rampant need for underage girls.
That ought to do it.