Russia invades Ukraine - 3 - from 23 Oct 2022

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Bump :+1:

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Had to look it up via Google image search:

I do think they should watch out for enemy drones:

This parallel does worry me:

Rebel retreat

Our mission today is not to defeat the Empire. What we must do is to keep the Rebel Alliance alive.
―Leia Organa, before the battle begins[35]

If Ukraine really is launching offensives now, despite lots of equipment on the way but not arrived, it might mean either:

  1. That the larger Russian force trained since mobilization really has learned nothing.

Or

  1. That Ukraine is seriously worried that their “friends” might pushing for negotiations if things look static.
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Unsure what that means. Am guessing that you are saying they are all assembled together like that so everyone is directly informed about commander’s intent for what is to be achieved by the mission. Any team facing a situation that it was not prepared for that has to abandon initial plan will make altered plans aimed at achieving same result by different method?

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Yes!
Subordinate commanders, right down to the section/squad, can take the initiative and fulfil l the intent of the mission bc they know what the comd wants and know the role of the other units/elements and how everyone fits in the big picture.

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Perhaps some sort of Article 4 consultation?

BTW NATO C3 Taxonomy is about Consultation and C2 :

  1. The Consultation, Command and Control (C3) Taxonomy is a product developed by ACT
    to synchronize all C3 capability activities in NATO by connecting the Strategic Concept and
    Political Guidance through the NATO Defence Planning Process (NDPP) to traditional
    Communications and Information Systems (CIS) architecture and design constructs. The current
    version of the C3 Taxonomy is Baseline 4.0 (Reference A), which was endorsed by the C3 Board
    on 20 August 2020 (Reference B).

cf US Basic Officer training for Marine Corps:

Communication Equipment

IntroductionIn the Marine Corps, the primary purpose of
communications is to serve the command. In this role,
communications is the instrument by which commanders
make their will known and, as such, is the voice of
command.

Seriously, it isn’t just @Benny40 being agreeable as usual.

If there’s a missile over NATO territory it isn’t just a matter of communication about that being a the voice of a commander “to make their will known”.

Actually I think the concept of consultation rather than “communication” from commanders down does better expresses the “business processes” for responding to an attack.

There would be a “collaboration” involving a “conversation” among GBAD radars and SAMs and somebody with authority under the rules of engagement to verify Combat Identification and order engagement.

That collaboration could be a “choreography” in which each participant is separately following script for their part in the overall interactive performance.

But it should not an “orchestration” in which a single conductor “makes their will known” like above Marine Corps training in “communications”.

See BPMN Chapters 9, 10 and 11 for distinctions between a collaboration with conversations, choreography and orchestration of a process.

The “conversations” involved in a drone laser guided munition being delivered from a tank to target are worth modelling in detail to understand the complex C3 requirements for attachment of Drone Army units to an armoured maneuver force.

As with air crew and the navy, which operates according to rules of engagement.
In the first Gulf War, the Australian Navy set sail before the rules of engagement were negotiated ( with a political element on the level)
In Indonesian Konfrontasi the Brits supplied the small craft to the RAN, with a Commodore in charge of each craft. I suppose that, because of East of Suez, the Brits did not want to be seen as engaged in that confrontation…
The rules of engagement were Uber strict to the point of non engagement.
However, one Commodore, faced with the potential loss of lives , engaged outside the rules. He succeeded without escalation of the confrontation.
He got the RAN top medal. If it hadn’t come off, maybe he would have been court martialled.
There are parallels in civilian work. It’s called winging it, when you don’t have cover in a hierarchical system and come home from international negotiations wondering if your office security pass has been cancelled.

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That’s why a comd gets paid the figurative big bucks, to use judgement. In that case he is only subject to AU rules (maybe international court if it gets to that) not brithish or coalition partners.
That was one of the criticism for the UN sponsored missions, ROE did not make sense, and also why General Romeo Dallaire got criticized for lack of independent action in Rwanda during the genocide; although, he did not have the means available to do anything

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Speculation on the employment of the Challengers.
I disagree on the suggested coy minus of 7 tanks. That may be too light to use i dependently.

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Bumpski

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Lol

Surely l can’t be the only one who sees a strong resemblance between …


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… to this guy…

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Quick update from the head of ukr military

Discussed the course of hostilities. The tensest situation today is along the Donetsk axis, where the enemy conducts up to 50 attacks every day. Fierce fighting continues in the vicinity of Vuhledar & Maryinka. We reliably hold the defence.

Despite constant enemy pressure, we continue to hold Bakhmut under our control and take measures to stabilize the front line around this town. The key to success on the battlefield is effective fires, which require an appropriate amount of weapons, equipment, and ammunition.

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Bakhmut update

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How did the chains of command and lead authorities work in Afghanistan with so many players, including NATO and UN decision overlay?