Sorry Saga - “It’s actually quite funny people thinking they know more than they actually do”

It’s taking a while for the judge to rule on witnesses and discovery isn’t it? Did he take leave to attend the games up in the sunshine state?

I think we are stuck with these manifestly unjust outcomes unless we find out where Dank purchased the thymosin from and what kind it was. More than just Dank knows and if it was through a registered supplier there would be a paper trail, so I am surprised this hasn’t surfaced. Must be friggin bikies who shoot randomly through your windows when you don’t pay; which is where this whole clusterfark of the ACC investigation into Dank started.

A few documents condemning gil & harcourt’s behaviour requiring them to retire early might be a reasonable outcome as well.

But someone mentioned on here the possibility of developing a test which distinguishes endogenous from exogenous TB4. That would be brilliant if possible. I’d even want them to bring gil back from his cardboard box under the westgate to hand Jobe’s brownlow back.

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Sprcialised tests have been developed and applied under WADA rules to differentiate between anabolic androgenic steroids naturally produced in the body and prohibited anabolic agents of external origin. A US cyclist recently got pinged on that score.
It is unknown whether WADA is funding research for the likes of TB4. If it were to re-orient its approach to one of Integrity to athletes, it should, as well as coming up with consistent and comparable scientific data on performance enhancing effects of substances. After all it has revised downwards the use of salbutamol to specified tolerances.

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Former Bomber Nathan Lovett-Murray wants to join Administrative Appeals Tribunal hearing MICHAEL WARNER, Herald Sun April 15, 2018 8:06pm

THE Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority says Nathan Lovett-Murray’s reasons for wanting to join an Essendon drugs saga tribunal fight are “misconceived”.

Lovett-Murray is attempting to join an Administrative Appeals Tribunal hearing aimed at forcing ASADA to release doping control forms signed by Bombers players between August 2011 and September 2012.

They include the names and dates of the urine and blood tests conducted by ASADA officers on Essendon players during that period.

The documents are being sought by a member of the public under Freedom of Information laws.

In a submission filed with the tribunal last month, Lovett-Murray — one of 34 Bombers suspended for doping by the Court of Arbitration for Sport — said the release of the forms was a “matter of great public importance and will prove my innocence”.

But ASADA has told the AAT Lovett-Murray’s “application for joinder appears to be for purposes collateral to the resolution” of the hearing.

“The tribunal’s review will not present an opportunity to revisit the findings of the disciplinary proceedings against the Essendon players,” Australian Government Solicitor senior lawyer Justin Davidson told the AAT in a letter last week.

“It is strictly confined to determining whether the names and the dates on the doping control forms are exempt from disclosure.

“There is no sense in which this tribunal review could possibly prove or disprove a player’s innocence.”

Lovett Murray in his playing days at Essendon.
Davidson said the basis of Lovett-Murray’s application “appears … to be for the purpose of discovering certain information, or questioning witnesses about issues of interest to the player that do not arise on the matter before the tribunal”.

“The tribunal should not, in our submission, permit joiner on such a basis,” Davidson said.

Lovett-Murray’s manager, Peter Jess, said the doping control forms were being protected to cover up “serious flaws” in the CAS finding that the Essendon players had colluded by failing to disclose the use of substances administered by sports scientist Stephen Dank.

“It is Nathan’s understanding that the dates of the doping control tests are crucial because most of the players’ tests were conducted before Thymosin beta-4 was available from a known source in Australia,” Jess said.

“Nathan considers it in the public interest that all relevant details surrounding the dates of his doping test be made available.”

He said Lovett-Murray would press on in his bid to join the tribunal fight.

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Cover up of the highest order.

ASADA/WADA/CAS hate anything to do with real, factual documentation when it comes the the E34.

It’s all strands in a cable, innuendo, inference and of course some fraudulent documentation of ASADA’s own design that called out as such at the AFLDT.

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Agreed, however when it can be proven the dates don’t line up by He Who Must Not Be Named, the Crime of the Century will be exposed.

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If ASADA is claiming privacy of the players as justification for non- release, but if a player wants his own documents released ( or others do not object to release) what is ASADA’s justification?
Can ASADA block NLM’s participation in the proceedings or is that a decision for the AAT?
If the AFL can be involved, why can’t a player?

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Whilst there can’t be any further steps for the players I expect if information that firmly put the ASADA/WADA/CAS decision under the spotlight then what’s hoped for is that it adds to what is being accumulated in terms of making the government start a review into ASADA and the whole investigation.

The prospect of that is why ASADA and the AFL for that matter are fighting it all.

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Great album.

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I thought the whole idea of FOI was that I have a “right to know” about something that interests me, and moreso about something that impacts me. Regardless of whether any tribunal decision is ever overturned, every member of E34 has a fundamental right to know every detail relevant to the decisions that led to the verdict, unless it involves an invasion of someone else’s privacy which this clearly doesn’t.
We are a bunch of hopelessly biased, tragic Saga diehards, but when the Government or its agents fight so hard to avoid transparency, we know they have something relevant to their negligence or corruption to hide.

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That’s a good question.

Talk about having each other’s back’s. Using the law to advantage, having the right connections to ensure they stop any further exploration in its tracks or they string it out and make it financially unviable to continue fighting the case.

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When do we expect a decision here?

Of course, the AAT does not have jurisdiction to prove or disprove a player’s innocence, but, if as a consequence of disclosure, it serves to prove that ASADA WADA and CAS got it wrong and - importantly- that ASADA may have misled the ADRVP- surely that would call for an investigation of a government statutory agency and its officers. Could Hunt deny that there was no new evidence? Has ASADA ever provided Hunt with this evidence?
And what would that do for the integrity component of the draft National Sports Plan which Hunt and McKenzie are sitting on?

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REQUIEM FOR A HEAVYWEIGHT

On how Patrick Smith became the voice of the AFL in the Essendon saga; the voice of Cricket Australia in the pay fight and now, the voice of Rugby Australia.

There is no sadder sight than the heavyweight who goes one bout too long, seeking to remain relevant when he no longer is.

Trying to land a haymaker when he can’t get his hands above his hips.

Struggling to get his addled brain to withstand the blows of his opponents that long ago rendered him senseless.

His friend should have told him.

But even though he saw it coming years ago, he didn’t.

Instead of being the fair and independent investigator in 2013 that he might once have been, when the dreadful chicanery that is the Essendon/ASADA/WADA/CAS blackest day in sport broke, Patrick Smith stopped being a heavyweight journalist and became the PR agent for the AFL.

Last year, as Australia’s cricketers fought Cricket Australia, Patrick Smith, now on his knees and heading for the canvas, was the voice of Cricket Australia and there he was again more recently when the sand-paper scandal broke in South Africa, failing to expose the cover-up that is CA misleading the public about who was interviewed by the Integrity Department in Cape Town.

And last Saturday, you’ve got to love this, after he got the 10-count and we thought he’d retired from The Australia, there he was attacking Alan Jones, sticking up for Rugby Australia, trying to defend the indefensible, as sad and sorry a sight as Muhammad Ali in that ill-advised final bout with Trevor Berbick.

Patrick comes from Melbourne, where rugby football is very much the boutique sport, so I don’t expect him to fully understand the game beyond those limited boundaries. His ignorance has been proven by events since his column as Israel Folau’s comments show that Rugby Australia had mislead the public about what happened in that meeting between player and officials.

Another case of the cover-up exceeding the original crime, something that should cost the CEO her job.

When Patrick’s not writing the odd, some would say very odd, comeback column for The Australian, he works for a radio station with a small but loyal following, and most of those listeners only want to talk about Australian rules football, which is understandable.

And the loyalty and passion of those readers he has in Melbourne, and those hardy listeners, places a responsibility on Patrick to tell them the truth.

He failed that test during the Essendon saga in 2013 when he was the AFL’s trumpet amid the other horn blowers who find it easier to follow the AFL’s orchestrations; to champion the cover-up rather than dig deep to find who committed the original crime.

He failed it again when he wrote that awful article when James Hird, a fine young man who the AFL’s heavyweights set out to destroy to save their own skins, attempted to take his life.

That dreadful moment in James’ life caused people to reflect on the Essendon saga and many began to realise they had been led up the proverbial garden path by Patrick and the other AFL horn players.

Patrick panicked, trotted out all the lies and deceptions of 2013 all over again, lest he be exposed for getting it horribly wrong, for being complicit in the destruction of Hird’s reputation on the flimsiest of evidence, i.e. none.

James Hird was denied natural justice.

He was bullied by the AFL.

He was mocked by Patrick Smith whenever he attempted to defend himself.

Patrick even mocked Hird’s wife Tania when she told the world what everyone knows, that the AFL is a mob of bullies.

Yes, everyone Patrick, whether it’s the widowed Mrs Bailey, the former Swans chairman who had the temerity to recruit Buddy Franklin, or the Tasmanian club president who has been warned to shut up or face excommunication as he argues for the game in his State, which I am told is in a shocking mess after years of neglect by the people running the game in Melbourne.

I am not qualified to tell the AFL what to do in Tasmania, so will not go beyond that comment just made, but over the years, I’ve learned a thing or two about rugby union.

Something else I’ve learned is what happens when you sit back and just spruik the lines of the Establishment. They love it, the people in the blazers: the cosy trips, not being held to account as they constantly fail to act for the good of the game, letting things fester, then making that worse with another cover up.

When Patrick sides with the Establishment, whether in rugby football, in cricket, and most obviously in in the AFL, he is party to doing untold damage to both journalism, and to the sports.

The damage he did to James Hird’s reputation should haunt him for the rest of his life and will do as the truth slowly emerges from the quagmire of lies and deceptions perpetrated by the AFL, ASADA, WADA and the Court of Arbitration for Sport.

You might be able to get away with that when you’re leaking to tame journalists, whether starry-eyed kids who know no better, or fallen heavyweights.

You can’t in the courts where you take an oath to tell the truth.

Yes Patrick, the truth, something that it behoves all in the media to seek out, not just put a by line on the Establishment’s media releases, an on-going act that becomes in your case a Requiem for a Heavyweight.

Bruce Francis

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In summary:

■■■■ patrick smith.

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Wow. That’s good.

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Other than the punctuation, . yes, it was.

Has really improved his writing style now, to be equal to many, and even better than a few that call themselves “Journalists”

Should just get someone to proof read his stuff before publishing.

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Bruce only prevents himself of being a 'heavyweight’when he resorts to being childishly personal in most of his letters.

When he can deliver something like this, it holds so much weight, and he needs to write with this tone moving forward as his research and understanding of the saga is unparelled.

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I find it hard to credit he didn’t have help.
Not that that would be a bad thing.
So much more focused.
One theme, one analogy, not a scattergun approach at many targets with a barb in every line.

And very readable.

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oh I think there was plenty of vitriol in that letter just used better language …& if all you ever read of his writings were the ones were he was so frustrated at not even getting a response from those people who should have known better, then yes you could be forgiven for thinking they were all about the insults …originally when the saga was first on there was so much that was wrong about the reporting & the “facts” of the case that it may have looked like a scatter gun approach but it was actually anything but. Now at least he has time to pick one or two things to write on where as before there were hundreds & to cover them all was a tyring process.

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