Sorry Saga - “It’s actually quite funny people thinking they know more than they actually do”

What worries me is that when people are reading this stuff and putting 2 and 2 together they are thinking that all these people are guilty because they did the same thing as Essendon instead of thinking Essendon is not guilty because they did the same thing as these guys.

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You are giving the footy public far too much leeway in their intelligence or, the belief they are capable of putting two and two together and getting four. The majority still believe
we cheated and that is that. This scenario happening now with this new wonder drug, needs to go belly up in order for the footy public at large, to do the maths and get four.

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If nothing else this clearly shows that, despite all that’s happened, despite his direct involvement with wada, Harcourt still has absolutely no farking idea how the code works or how s0 works or have any regard for his personal duty of care to the players. It’s simply disgusting.

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If anyone had any doubt whatsoever that Gerald wakley is an AFL marionette and a disgusting little lying worm, listen to his 30 sec interview of Gil on the latest big issues.

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As the TGA has given conditional approval for PSS for human therapeutic use, I can’t see the S0 category as relevant . The bracketed S0 descriptive references to pre- clinical and clinical development do not alter the fact that it has been given TGA approval . Further, on the basis of the treatment of Handelsman’s evidence at the AFL tribunal and at CAS, it would need to be demonstrated that NO regulatory authority ( not just TGA) had approved its use for human therapeutic purposes .
To note also that the PSS is available on prescription in capsule form and as a nasal spray. As TGA is the regulatory authority for prescriptions, it has previously approved PSS as a substance for human therapeutic use to treat certain conditions.
S0 appears to be one of those catch all categories to cover unorthodox substances where the health effects are unknown. It is attractive to the ambulance chasers like McDevitt as a fall back category when they are nervous about categorisation, hence the ASADA claims that TB-4 was covered by both S0 and S2.
At the same time the AFL is seemingly nervous about the WADA status when it claims that Harcourt/AFL did not approve the use - but Walker and the club doctors were clearly of the view that they had to seek AFL approval under revised protocols ( whatever they might be).

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Sorry @Deckham, can’t do it, if my disgust levels go up any higher for any of those communication specialists, I’ll blow up and bust.

Love the marionette reference. :slight_smile:

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@bigallan

I’ll back your research but my understanding around the catch all for certain types of unspecified substances relates to the below which surely SPP falls into given its promoting cartliage regeneration.

Taken from this …

Interested to hear your thoughts

And also yours @bomber5au?

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Just found this in the links at bottom of that conversation article also…

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There are a number of non-specified substances that come within generic descriptions, TB4 is now listed in the 2018 Code as an example under S2.3.
Not a scientist, so can’t comment on whether PSS would be captured as a non - specified substance under any generic description. A Global DRO search on the ASADA site simply identified it as not prohibited as a substance, but covered by M2 method restrictions ( infusion and/or injection within prescribed quantity and time limits),

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More like a rat who can’t bring himself to raise Blight’s lab rats concerns.
I suppose the day will never come when someone asks him what he thinks about Black Caviar’s trainer’s doping .

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So what Peter Gordon is saying is that he really doesn’t know if it’s being used at the Doggies.
I wonder if Bevo knows?
I 'd really like someone to ask all the coaches if they know whether or not any of their plyers are using it.

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I am in danger of using my daily ration of likes on all your posts. (If so I will get my second “Out of Love” badge).

Love all your work!

Maintain the rage!

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No F’ing idea at all period.

That’s a fair call on s0. I was more suggesting that simply relying on something not being in the list isn’t really enough to be sure of anything.

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You can bet that Carlton and Collingwood are two of the alleged 7 clubs, as their club doctors have an association with Paradigm and Bloom of Carlton was promoting it back in 2015.

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Warner/HS keeps changing the heading of the article and updating with info.

It’s now reading:

Secondary statement by Gil differs to first one that came out from AFL after Walker disputed.

They lied initially. And then he lied again.

And now further details emerge…

Just need ASADA/WADA statement to the contrary on SPP and the AFL in all sorts.

And even so how can the AFL smash one club for governance on experimental substances & be actively approving similar directly themselves & have it written into their rules that it’s ok.

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Other than Mick Warner, no AFL accredited journalists will contact WADA for confirmation. We need to keep pushing these journalists and media organisations to keep seeking answers.

This is almost f*cking identicle issue to our saga. The difference is, the organisation responsible owns the media.

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Is it just me or has Rupert finally fixed the copy and paste hole in his paywall?

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Check back thirty or so posts ago and have a look at Hird being stoic. What crap!
Hirdy looks equally as distressed as Warner and Smith. Or didn’t you notice his blood shot eyes and the tears running down his face.

Compassion and loving kindness never takes sides.

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Whately doing the AFL’s bidding in an interview with Andrew Walker on SEN - “ Walker not worried about AFL’s wonder jab”. You can pick it up through Whately’s tweets.
Seems Walker was put onto it by the Carlton doctor.

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