I recall a post on here that stated that obtained from Paul Hamilton’s office on or after being notified by the AFL was a large pile of invoices relating to the program ,that had not been paid . It seemed to disappear, the post that is.
Also if the first alleged batch of tb4 a 1/4 of a gram had only 24 doses of a weekly dosed 3 month regime where is the rest of it coming from? so if it was used if it was here, who of the 34 had it…??
And also works for Bastion.That was okay. Very repetitive, but his main message was clear. How could CAS sacrifice 34 players to send a message about drugs?He didn’t exactly dump any ■■■■ on anyone. He fully understood why certain people acted the way they did. He was sympathetic of Vlad’s role in the saga.
Only thing I found odd was that Liz Lukin was working for EFC as PR manager. I must have missed it, but I thought she was the AFL appointed PR manager for this farce and that we had our own PR managers.
I’d like to see everyone in the same room (Gil, Hird, Evans, Robson, Little, Bomber, Reid, etc.) all grilled by a media panel (Robbo, Caro, Chip, Tracey, etc.).
The AFL installed Liz Lukin at EFC as soon as we “self reported”
That is not at all accurate sorry.
Paul is correct.
Just doing some checking and Liz didn’t become an employee of EFC until later into the year (early May).
Between that press conference and May, she must have been an advisor of some kind.
She ended up leaving shortly after Evans left.Did we do due diligence?
BTW does it matter at what point if ever she officially went on our books? The simple facts are she was involved from the start of the saga. She was in the AFL’s boardroom on the day we self reported & there can be little if any doubt she was acting in the AFL’s interests. She quit as soon as Evans resigned which was July.Edit - its also a fact she now officially works for the AFL. If you somehow don’t believe she was doing their dirty work form the start, what exactly in EFC’s PR campaign during the saga suggested competence?
Is there any plans to catch up and have a beer with the 34 players?
One nugget last night. Jim went back to the club the day after their meeting where they were told by the afl that they were the club. Jim said next day he found the forms but the back pages with the Wada/ asada compliance wasnt there. That's a conspiracy if true. Media too busy hating on Jimmy to pick that up. Dank and possibly others from that time at the footy club should be criminally investigated and be charged if this happenedBacking up Hirds comments. Dank has stated previously that the consent forms had supporting information with them on the substances, and there were folders there as well with even more comprehensive detail regarding the substances.
- AFL ■■■■■ the bed
- AD leaks info to Evans, and tells him how it’s going to play out - rogue sports scientist strategy
- Evans takes/destroys majority of documentation/files we have regarding supplement program.Documentation it seems that might have actually cleared us and shown that our program was setup far better than what has been made out.
Martin Hardie mentioned the other day in radio interview that if the club/AFL hadnt chosen to go down the path of the “concocted” no documentation angle this all would have been over long ago.
AD & Evans are to blame for this mess IMO. And anyone who knows the truth has been taken under the AFL’s arm/allowed free passage to move on without consequence. Evans / Robson / Hamilton / Robinson
Whatever Dank says in the media is discredited. The anti doping process takes farking forever. Once it’s done he can get his time in court (a real court) like he has always said.
Most recently he stated that whilst he had won some small defamation cases, has big cases lined up for the AFL & ASADA towards end of year.
Time will tell
Meanwhile the players have been suspended, Hirds rep destroyed, an AFL season hijacked, all EFC supporters love of footy and excitement for season ruined.
So sad
This to me is the only thing that makes sense, Vlad/Evans where so sure we had taken something illegal that they destroyed records. The very records that could well have cleared the players.
Hird has said enough, we need answer from Vlad, Evans, Robson, and of course Dank.
The public are very keen to know why the players left the drug test forms blank and it seems to be an important part of the CAS findings. I'd have liked her to ask if he knows why, and whether it was a club directive.Post interview, one of the audience members asked this question and it wasn’t answered particularly well. Hirdy explained that 13 of the players weren’t tested by ASADA during the program therefore never had the opportunity to declare it and then said that he doesn’t know why none of the remaining 21 declared it but that the players are filling in these forms between training and meetings and media commitments and just write down what comes to mind(don’t place a massive amount of importance on it).
There has to be more to this… A bit coincidental that all 21 players all forgot to declare the same supplement.
I think the significance of this has been blown out of all proportion by CAS.
Did the players declare anything at all? It most likely wasn’t just the thymosin injections omitted. If they omitted everything it implies they didn’t think it was important to put anything on the forms, as Hird said. Since it wasn 't compulsory to put down anything you had taken, and players were just advised to do it if they thought something they took might affect the test result, it is fair enough that they didn’t feel the need to declare anything. It certainly wasn’t them hiding it from ASADA as they were open about putting it on the consent forms and then giving those to the investigation. That isn’t the behaviour of someone concealing it.
Good interview with Robert Shaw on SEN now.
Is there any plans to catch up and have a beer with the 34 players?
I’m free Thursdays and Saturdays if they’re interested.
Good interview with Robert Shaw on SEN now.
Thanks.
I would say, she did her job properly for those who had her allegiances. She was a player.That was okay. Very repetitive, but his main message was clear. How could CAS sacrifice 34 players to send a message about drugs?He didn’t exactly dump any ■■■■ on anyone. He fully understood why certain people acted the way they did. He was sympathetic of Vlad’s role in the saga.
Only thing I found odd was that Liz Lukin was working for EFC as PR manager. I must have missed it, but I thought she was the AFL appointed PR manager for this farce and that we had our own PR managers.
I’d like to see everyone in the same room (Gil, Hird, Evans, Robson, Little, Bomber, Reid, etc.) all grilled by a media panel (Robbo, Caro, Chip, Tracey, etc.).
The AFL installed Liz Lukin at EFC as soon as we “self reported”
That is not at all accurate sorry.
Paul is correct.
Just doing some checking and Liz didn’t become an employee of EFC until later into the year (early May).
Between that press conference and May, she must have been an advisor of some kind.
She ended up leaving shortly after Evans left.Did we do due diligence?
BTW does it matter at what point if ever she officially went on our books? The simple facts are she was involved from the start of the saga. She was in the AFL’s boardroom on the day we self reported & there can be little if any doubt she was acting in the AFL’s interests. She quit as soon as Evans resigned which was July.IIRC she didn’t quit, she was sacked. That much at least was reported even in the MSM.
And she did a really poor job for EFC. (Of course could be argued she was working for the AFL all along.) Our PR was awful for the whole time.
And that can’t be proved either.It needs to be confirmed that Slatts had zero injections. Its very important , because unlike Mcveigh for whom they assumed admitted injections were tb4 (which is outrageous enough), Slattery can literally only have been banned for signing a piece of paper!begs the question though why didn’t the aflpa call him to give evidence in his own case. Presumably at least Slattery’s asada interview transcript would have been admitted into evidence and it would state it in there.
Theres a hell of a lot that makes no sense on this. Starting point is to confirm its truth or otherwise. The first article i saw was a bit unclear, just said he only managed two games that year. Latest one says “it is believed”.
I thought he said he only got the vitamin injections?
Like Hunter?
Edit: And presumably Reimers?
What happened in Reimers case?
Good interview with Robert Shaw on SEN now.
Thanks. Much appreciated.
Now what the hell did he say!?!?
I would say, she did her job properly for those who had her allegiances. She was a player.That was okay. Very repetitive, but his main message was clear. How could CAS sacrifice 34 players to send a message about drugs?He didn’t exactly dump any ■■■■ on anyone. He fully understood why certain people acted the way they did. He was sympathetic of Vlad’s role in the saga.
Only thing I found odd was that Liz Lukin was working for EFC as PR manager. I must have missed it, but I thought she was the AFL appointed PR manager for this farce and that we had our own PR managers.
I’d like to see everyone in the same room (Gil, Hird, Evans, Robson, Little, Bomber, Reid, etc.) all grilled by a media panel (Robbo, Caro, Chip, Tracey, etc.).
The AFL installed Liz Lukin at EFC as soon as we “self reported”
That is not at all accurate sorry.
Paul is correct.
Just doing some checking and Liz didn’t become an employee of EFC until later into the year (early May).
Between that press conference and May, she must have been an advisor of some kind.
She ended up leaving shortly after Evans left.Did we do due diligence?
BTW does it matter at what point if ever she officially went on our books? The simple facts are she was involved from the start of the saga. She was in the AFL’s boardroom on the day we self reported & there can be little if any doubt she was acting in the AFL’s interests. She quit as soon as Evans resigned which was July.IIRC she didn’t quit, she was sacked. That much at least was reported even in the MSM.
And she did a really poor job for EFC. (Of course could be argued she was working for the AFL all along.) Our PR was awful for the whole time.
She may have been a player but didn’t rate many SuperCoach points, I wouldn’t have her in my team.
What happened in Reimers case?
He didn’t have the IQ to be cross examined, the judge sentenced him to repeat primary school.
Unlikely Heros in the media.
Unlikely Heros in the media.
grant has been pretty level headed all the way through this saga, would love to see him up against wilson on the matter
Only having one person who was in the room swearing to it, and a bunch of contemporaneous notes (from Hird & AA, maybe others if they were discovered) & circumstantial stuff around it happening ((we know Vlad was told, we know Evans knew shortly afterwards) would go pretty close to proving it in a real court. IMHO.<First question of many. The allegation was made tonight as it has been before that Andrew Demetriou leaked the findings of a confidential ACC report. That is a federal offence and McDevitt originates at the ACC. Has Demetriou been investigated and if not why not?Investigated by ASADA I think (?) and cleared. Crazy, isn't it?But unless Evans, the guy who actually took the call, confirms it… What can really be done?
And it’s pretty clear Evans won’t be confirming anything of the sort.
blockquote>David Evans spoke to Dr. Reid about this information the Sunday before Hird’s birthday. The gathering at Evans home happened on the night of Hird’s birthday. So, that means Evans already knew about the EFC being the club.
Is there a clear reason why Reimers escaped sanction?
I think they realised he was going to have enough trouble getting through life without adding this to it.
Just saw a shocking example of harrassment of Hird on Sky news. Most of the press are just scum
Close this thread so we can all move on, open it if anything changes.Put us out of our misery…
This is like the car crash in the distance that slows traffic. Ahead you can see people slowing down to look, and you curse them.
Then you find yourself doing exactly the same thing.
feel free to leave any time!!