Sorry Saga - What Hirdy Said

Graham Cornes should be given a honorary membership.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/essendon-players-could-never-have-been-found-guilty-by-anti-doping-tribunal/story-fndv7pj3-1227290405270
Essendon players could never have been found guilty by anti-doping tribunal

I told you so. Are they not the most infuriating words? Other than when they are attributed to the late soccer legend, Johnny Warren, they smack of arrogance and self-righteousness. Well I’m sorry, but I told you so.
The Essendon players could never have been found guilty of using a banned substance because they were never administered anything that was contrary to the WADA code.
The verdict of the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could not have been any more emphatic. Given that the burden of proof before such a tribunal is nowhere near that of the laws of the land which have to prove “beyond reasonable doubt”, this verdict is actually a better outcome than “not guilty”.
The tribunal only had to find that it was “comfortably satisfied” that transgressions had occurred. It couldn’t, and the Essendon Football Club and its players can now try and pick up the pieces of their battered football lives.
They have shown, over the past two years, a great resilience in the face of a constant barrage of criticism and vilification. Can they maintain it now the pressure has been released?
But what of the critics, the bigots, the uniformed or those with an agenda that blinded them to the facts of the saga?
They constantly demanded that James Hird apologise when he had already done so. They ridiculed him and his wife Tania for daring to defend themselves.
They demanded suspensions for the innocent players. They painted the darkest possible picture of Australian football. They have no accountability. They either move on to their next victims or troll through the tribunal notes to salvage some credibility.
The best they have been able to come up with so far has been that a senior player, Mark McVeigh, questioned the injections and that an academic found some spelling mistakes in the consent forms that the players signed.
Oh, and there was a comment that the possible side effects of the substances weren’t on the consent forms. Really? Has anyone ever read the side effects of paracetamol, the most widely used painkiller?
McVeigh was a warrior on the football field, and a warrior off it. He would have been the one to ask what on earth he being given; there is no revelation in that.
However, he was more than emphatic in 2013 when he defended the allegations that the players didn’t know what they were given. He said: “Every player knew what we were taking … if you didn’t know, you must have been asleep in the meeting … Everything that I took, and I can only speak on my behalf obviously, I knew 100 per cent that it was within the WADA (World Anti-Doping Agency) and AFL doping regulations.”
Yet the critics, as they look for a distraction to their own follies, still perpetuate the myth that the players were not told what they were being injected with.
And what of ASADA? Its new chief executive, Ben McDevitt, who admittedly had to pick up the pieces of a flawed investigation, is trying to salvage some credibility by talking tough.
He would do better to focus on the criticisms of his investigators who face allegations that they conducted their interviews in the manner of aggressive police interrogations and that some evidence was recorded which was at odds with the players’ actual testimony. ASADA in its present form cannot survive the debacle of this saga.
Yet, despite the players’ innocence, there will be a victim from it all. Stephen Dank, the biochemist who masterminded this program which was going to be the most advanced in Australian football, will be put to the sword.
After all, someone has to pay for the millions of dollars, Essendon’s removal from the 2013 finals series and subsequent draft penalties.
Dank is adamant nothing contrary to the WADA code was administered to the Essendon players but he stands alone and is a soft target for the predators whose attention have now turned from Hird and his players to find a scapegoat.
This all started with a politically motivated stunt by two naive Federal ministers who are now long gone.
How appropriate that our current Prime Minister, with an acumen that belies his austere persona, should sum it up best: “I think, frankly, we have made mountains out of molehills”, he said.
I told you so!

What a shame Cornes is not still on 5AA radio…the clowns who replaced him (Rowie and Bickley) haven’t got half of Cornes brains between them.

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I couldn't help but notice the complete lack of comment from Barret about the outcome. It filled my heart with joy. He came off as a beaten shell of a man.

Hes a farkin twerp.

Twerp. There’s a word you dont hear often these days. But it sums him up.

He’s also a swine. And a git.

I could go on…

Please do.
Pigs are actually highly intelligent, Barrett indeed IS NOT, he is a fool.

Is it too hard for media types to actually name names when they are bagging out other journos? Surely it would get the point across much more succinctly.

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BD take it easy, people here mean no harm.

sorry I’m a bad mood I’m staying at a motel in eildon at the moment for Easter and the guy who runs the place came by to help me kill a spider

but whilst doing it he decided to tell me that James Hird was a drug cheat which ■■■■■■ me off
(he recognised my sister from today’s paper)

i remember mid saga where someone said they visited a hot chicken shop out in Narre Warren or some other rubbish place. they either had carlton posters up or anti Hird posters. anyway, it got mentioned in here, and within minutes their urbanspoon rating had dropped to 30% from a few vigilante blitzers saying how ■■■■ the place was. karma

Blitzspoon

You can add Prossers at the Queen Vic to that. A real smartarse “cheats” under the breath comment at my Essendon wind cheater

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BD take it easy, people here mean no harm.

sorry I’m a bad mood I’m staying at a motel in eildon at the moment for Easter and the guy who runs the place came by to help me kill a spider

but whilst doing it he decided to tell me that James Hird was a drug cheat which ■■■■■■ me off
(he recognised my sister from today’s paper)

i remember mid saga where someone said they visited a hot chicken shop out in Narre Warren or some other rubbish place. they either had carlton posters up or anti Hird posters. anyway, it got mentioned in here, and within minutes their urbanspoon rating had dropped to 30% from a few vigilante blitzers saying how ■■■■ the place was. karma

Blitzspoon

You can add Prossers at the Queen Vic to that. A real smartarse “cheats” under the breath comment at my Essendon wind cheater


Prossers, if I’m not mistaken are a Seafood place.
George the Fishmonger is another Vic Market seafood place, and George is/was regular Bomberblitz member koombaro.
So there’s no need to go to Prossers EVER again.

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BD take it easy, people here mean no harm.

sorry I’m a bad mood I’m staying at a motel in eildon at the moment for Easter and the guy who runs the place came by to help me kill a spider

but whilst doing it he decided to tell me that James Hird was a drug cheat which ■■■■■■ me off
(he recognised my sister from today’s paper)

i remember mid saga where someone said they visited a hot chicken shop out in Narre Warren or some other rubbish place. they either had carlton posters up or anti Hird posters. anyway, it got mentioned in here, and within minutes their urbanspoon rating had dropped to 30% from a few vigilante blitzers saying how ■■■■ the place was. karma

Blitzspoon

You can add Prossers at the Queen Vic to that. A real smartarse “cheats” under the breath comment at my Essendon wind cheater


Prossers, if I’m not mistaken are a Seafood place.
George the Fishmonger is another Vic Market seafood place, and George is/was regular Bomberblitz member koombaro.
So there’s no need to go to Prossers EVER again.
2 years since and I haven't been back, it is only $45 week in sales but stuff e'm.

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BD take it easy, people here mean no harm.

sorry I’m a bad mood I’m staying at a motel in eildon at the moment for Easter and the guy who runs the place came by to help me kill a spider

but whilst doing it he decided to tell me that James Hird was a drug cheat which ■■■■■■ me off
(he recognised my sister from today’s paper)

Should have helped the spider kill him then.

What a nice change it is to awaken to only 25 unread posts in this god-awful thread and most of them are about crapping in sinks and killing spiders.

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Hi Everyone

I have made a video that looks at our journey the last few years and remind people that it was our strength, conviction, character and fabric as a club that came out the other end a more united and stronger club.

Hope you like it.

https://youtu.be/AYjwKUhqI5k

Fantastic work CJohns

The thoughts that came to my mind as watching it was that afl is about image whereas efc & hird are about fabric. So I totally agree with your last sentiment in the video and I know that our fabric will always outlast any stakeholders whose only concern is image

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/sport/afl/asada-dope-case-hinged-on-phantom-shipment/story-fnca0u4y-1227290645176
ASADA dope case hinged on ‘phantom’ shipment

Chip Le Grand
The Australian
April 04, 2015 12:00AM

Pharmacist Nima Alavi

Pharmacist Nima Alavi supplied Essendon biochemist Stephen Dank.

The Australian Sports Anti-­Doping Authority relied on vague and possibly fabricated evidence about a “phantom” delivery of peptides in its attempt to prove that a banned drug was used by Essendon footballers.

The claim came from a witness who had not mentioned the shipment in four previous interviews.

The AFL tribunal, which this week cleared 34 current and former Essendon players of doping allegations, expressed “grave doubts” about the authenticity of documents relied on by ASADA to show a second batch of peptides containing the banned substance Thymosin Beta 4 was shipped to the Melbourne pharmacist at the centre of the doping scandal.

Throughout the entire first year of its investigation, ASADA’s case was that Essendon players were injected with Thymosin Beta 4 contained in a shipment of Chinese peptides received by pharmacist Nima Alavi on December 28, 2011.

ASADA’s case was heavily ­reliant on information provided by drug importer Shane Charter and Mr Alavi, who under compulsion from ASADA provided documents and submitted to four interviews with investigators, in November and December 2013.

On April 14 last year, after ASADA’s investigations team had submitted its final report concluding that insufficient evidence had been gathered to prove the case against the Essendon players, investigator Aaron Walker was instructed by ASADA’s senior management to interview Mr Alavi a fifth time.

On this occasion, Mr Alavi told Mr Walker about a second shipment of peptides that had ­arrived from China about six weeks after the first. The only ­record of the shipment was a handwritten noted entered by Mr Alavi’s lab assistant in the pharmacy diary: “Thymosin 1g.”

When pressed for details, Mr Alavi produced certificates of analysis and other documents he claimed to have discovered in a storage facility.

The certificates of analysis ­secured by ASADA did not reveal the source of the peptides, when they were manufactured or who tested them. They also contained inaccurate molecular weights for the substances they purported to identify. The veracity of the documents was questioned by ASADA’s own expert witness, University of Sydney endocrinologist David Handelsman.

The tribunal, chaired by retired Victorian County Court judge David Jones, concluded the documents could not be trusted. “The tribunal has grave doubts about the authenticity of the certificates and, in particular, the Thymosin certificate,” the tribunal found.

According to the tribunal’s reasoned judgment handed down this week: “The ASADA CEO placed considerable reliance on the February certificates.”

Mr Alavi’s belated recollections about a second batch of Thymosin were slammed by the players’ lawyers. “It is submitted that, if anything, the evidence ­relating to this delivery is more vague, more imprecise and more generally lacking in documentary corroboration than the first delivery. There is no evidence about its origin, no invoices, email exchanges, international money transfers or claims for reimbursement. It is put that it is a ‘phantom’ delivery which seemingly appears out of thin air.”

The tribunal was not satisfied that the second shipment ­occurred; let alone that it contained Thymosin Beta 4. The tribunal was neither satisfied that the first shipment to Mr Alavi’s pharmacy contained Thymosin Beta 4 nor that the peptides were taken to Windy Hill by Essendon sports scientist Stephen Dank.

It’s going to be a long haul but bit by bit the full depth of ASADA’s deceit will be exposed.

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What a shame Cornes is not still on 5AA radio...the clowns who replaced him (Rowie and Bickley) haven't got half of Cornes brains between them.

You are certainly on the money. Came across this while looking for something else.

My first thought was who are these half wits, puffing their chests up and pretending they are in the know, lol. (although must admit it is the only time I have listened to Adelaide radio so don’t if they are like that all the time )

I would encourage you to write more articles Chip. A lovely insight into how ASADA works.

Nice rebuttal for Devitt McBen.

Homer deserves an Essendon membership as well.

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I would encourage you to write more articles Chip. A lovely insight into how ASADA works.

Nice rebuttal for Devitt McBen.

Worryingly, the very serious implications of Chip’s article about how ASADA conducted itself will be lost on a great many.
This smacks of lies and corruption and yet it’s others that are labeled as cheats.

Can we send people such as Tracy Holmes and Chip a letter of appreciation on behalf of blitz?

Also not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Nick Giannopoulos does nicely on twitter for us. What a legend.

And these clowns are thinking of appealing? LOL

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I would encourage you to write more articles Chip. A lovely insight into how ASADA works.

Nice rebuttal for Devitt McBen.

Worryingly, the very serious implications of Chip’s article about how ASADA conducted itself will be lost on a great many.
This smacks of lies and corruption and yet it’s others that are labeled as cheats.

I had this very thought and until this sort of information makes it’s way onto the prime time news or current affairs shows, instead of dodgy builder exposés, the majority of the great unwashed will continue with their prejudice.

The problem, one of many in fact, is that McButthurt has the red mist going on. It clouds his judgement and interferes with his sensibilities. He has said himself he is a suspicious person by nature, so he judges everything through suspicious eyes. That alone should make others suspicious about him, enough to question his motives and effectiveness.

He’ll go to any length to sate and “prove” his suspicions because he cannot fathom being wrong about anything. His ego wont let him back down.

The more he carries on, the worse he gets.

His head will explode one day.