Sorry Saga - What Hirdy Said

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for legal people. As members we are basically part owners of our club. Is it possible for members in this capacity to bring a class action for defamation and loss against the media outlets. Assuming we have a few thousand members on blitz alone... iwould imagine shareholders could bring anout defamation and law suit for loss of sponsorship and revenue?
Only an individual can sue for defamation. And to do so you have to prove how you personally have been caused any stress, hardship or loss of income.

There won’t be any defamation cases brought on by the club.

something something agm resolution to force legal action.

definately something we should raise at an agm through our newly elected peoples directors. If the club wishes to advise then as to why we would no then fine. But we as a collective have enough of the saga documented with copies and quotes of the lies that were spun. Suing fairfax and asada would be first.

The AFL wont have that

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The AFL wont have that

afl can’t dictate ■■■■ at an agm

Any chance we could can this thread for 24 hours??

Actual footy to be discussed today, GO BOMBERS!!

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The AFL wont have that

afl can’t dictate ■■■■ at an agm

Yeah I’m pretty sure they can do whatever they like, they’ve shown that, time and time again.

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The AFL wont have that

afl can’t dictate ■■■■ at an agm

Yeah I’m pretty sure they can do whatever they like, they’ve shown that, time and time again.

they still got hird to contend with

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for legal people. As members we are basically part owners of our club. Is it possible for members in this capacity to bring a class action for defamation and loss against the media outlets. Assuming we have a few thousand members on blitz alone... iwould imagine shareholders could bring anout defamation and law suit for loss of sponsorship and revenue?
Only an individual can sue for defamation. And to do so you have to prove how you personally have been caused any stress, hardship or loss of income.

There won’t be any defamation cases brought on by the club.

what about James and/or Tania?

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The AFL wont have that

afl can’t dictate ■■■■ at an agm

Yeah I’m pretty sure they can do whatever they like, they’ve shown that, time and time again.

they still got hird to contend with

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I’d be happy if even Dank successfully sued certain media “personalities” I don’t care who does it, I just want to read some grovelling apologies.

Accepting the fact that records of the program were taken by Deloittes …

When McIdiot spouts about where are the records surely we can take the Andruska defence that we can’t recall !

If it worked for his predecessor it should work for us !

So Dank doesn’t show, ASADA say they want a lifetime ban for Humanfort and the AFL say they’d like it too. I reckon we may well see a lifetime ban for trafficking this stuff soon enough

Glorified urine collectors

Yes. Experts at taking the p1ss.

Richard Ings ‏@ringsau @TraceyLeeHolmes

Humanofort is a nutritional supplement available over the counter. Trafficking is quite a leap if it tests neg for PED’s

Tracey Holmes ‏@TraceyLeeHolmes #ASADA trying to outdo #FIFA in the joke department by claiming 'trafficking' of humanofort (with no banned substances) worth a lifetime ban
Stupid analogy #451: I want to drive through a school zone at 70km/h to show that its safe to do so and that the 40km/h school zone speed limits are a stupid idea. But the flashing 40km/h lights weren't on, as school had a curriculum day. Do I get booked for intending to speed even though I'm doing the speed limit?

OR

Stupid analogy #452: I am underage and wanting to get drunk, but the only thing I can find in my parents bar is de-alcoholised wine. I drink it wanting to get drunk, but I don’t get drunk and there is no alcohol in the bottle - do the cops charge me for intent for underage drinking?

This is how I read it. Dank thought he could get TB4, MGF etc. into the players covertly using a humanofort containing orally consumed powdered supplement (taken typically post-training/match), but independent laboratory analysis shows the supplement actually doesn’t contain detectable levels of those various growth factors in the first place.

Still baffles me why ASADA are using TB4, and nothing else. Is it because the SMSs etc make reference to ‘thymosin’ and nothing else?

This is getting more confusing by the day.

BRV - Humanofort has nothing to do with the players’ SCNs.

As someone else I think pointed out, the SCNs were specifically around the 34 players being injected with TB-4 itself (not as an alleged ingredient of Humanofort) sometime between Feb & Sep 2012 by Dank in Dank’s office.

ASADA’s eternal problem is that after not having positive test samples (despite target testing), having player(s) specifically recall Thymomodulin, a bottle with said name on it , etc ASADA didn’t even say how much TB-4 and on what day. The SCNs are built on the flimsiest of premises.

ASADA’s case is highly circumstantial at best. That’s why their case failed so emphatically at the AFL Tribunal. The tribunal wasn’t comfortably satisfied that the substances brought into the country by Charter included TB-4 for Essendon - end of story there. However, they still then worked on the assumption it had to test the Alavi-EFC TB-4 link. They couldn’t be comfortably satisfied on that either…especially as it was revealed forged documents were involved to support ASADA’s case…ASADA’s legal counsel did not deny they were relying on forged document(s) only saying they had some difficulties with them. The tribunal said such document(s) were of dubious/doubtful authenticity and that the ASADA CEO had relied on them (it) significantly in issuing the SCNs. Personally, I’d call that a conspiracy to pervert the course of justice by ASADA…but that’s just me.

The tribunal stopped at that point and didn’t even bother trying to consider whether the players had been injected with TB-4.

I suspect the extra, redundant step of testing the Alavi-EFC TB-4 delivery link was for complete thoroughness and coming up with an iron clad verdict that ASADA would be disinclined to appeal. ASADA were. So ASADA handballed everything to WADA and said you try with CAS with a different panel in a different country with a (much) lower burden of proof. That extra step the tribunal took, I think, is also why the case went longer than expected.

My personal view is that unless WADA can convince CAS to accept a forged document or WADA finds some incredible new evidence, its appeal to CAS will fail like ASADA’s case before the AFL Tribunal. The fact that WADA requested a 45 day extension tells me they have nothing to substantiate an appeal with and are trying to manufacture something to present to CAS that looks different.

I continually read the name GC in the transcripts - Its like the GC have been forgotten

Could GC be under investigation? They just cannot let such young players to be put under pressure in the media?

Would explain their form.

I continually read the name GC in the transcripts - Its like the GC have been forgotten

Is Humanofort anything like a pillow fort?

Stupid analogy #451: I want to drive through a school zone at 70km/h to show that its safe to do so and that the 40km/h school zone speed limits are a stupid idea. But the flashing 40km/h lights weren't on, as school had a curriculum day. Do I get booked for intending to speed even though I'm doing the speed limit?

Speed limit is 60 kmph

We are lucky we didnt hire someone more competant

Stupid analogy #451: I want to drive through a school zone at 70km/h to show that its safe to do so and that the 40km/h school zone speed limits are a stupid idea. But the flashing 40km/h lights weren’t on, as school had a curriculum day. Do I get booked for intending to speed even though I’m doing the speed limit?

OR

Stupid analogy #452: I am underage and wanting to get drunk, but the only thing I can find in my parents bar is de-alcoholised wine. I drink it wanting to get drunk, but I don’t get drunk and there is no alcohol in the bottle - do the cops charge me for intent for underage drinking?

This is how I read it. Dank thought he could get TB4, MGF etc. into the players covertly using a humanofort containing orally consumed powdered supplement (taken typically post-training/match), but independent laboratory analysis shows the supplement actually doesn’t contain detectable levels of those various growth factors in the first place.

Still baffles me why ASADA are using TB4, and nothing else. Is it because the SMSs etc make reference to ‘thymosin’ and nothing else?

This is getting more confusing by the day.