Not the point. Good talls get taken early.
Saying that we should only be taking talls from the second round onwards is rubbish.
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Sometimes
Even from 2015 draft, Schache, Francis and Weid say otherwise
Francis was a tweener. Absolute master strike there from Dodoro and the team.
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We took Hayes in the second round last year.
Only Cadman (KPF), Buslinger (KPD), Barnett (Ruck/KPD) picked ahead of him.
And I hope that he makes it. My point was that nearly every elite tall in the comp has come from the first round and it’s a rarity to have success thereafter. We haven’t taken a genuine KP forward in the first round in 11 years. And we’ve taken one KP defender (Reid)
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Ridley 23? close enough to first round, definetly talented.
McKay if we get him first rd.
LAV was a first rounder
smalls - McGrath first rd.
KPF
Wright, Weideman first rd picks.
Jones supposedly first rd talent.
Medium - Langers & Stringer first rds.
Ruck - Bryan was second ruck picked in his draft after Luke Jackson.
You can say that about any position really, not just key position. You generally get your elite players from the first round of the draft.
Maybe the exception is small forwards and rucks. But some of those types have gone high in recent years (like Jackson, Thilthorpe, Max Andrew, Rachelle, Rankine)
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I really want 2 of Caddy, Watson and Duursma.
only key talls rated (first rd) this year.
Jed Walter 195cm - linked to suns academy
Daniel Curtin 195cm - will be taken by WA club
Ethan Read 200cm Ruck - linked to Suns academy
Mitch Edwards Ruck 205cm
Jordan Croft 200cm - tied to bulldogs father son
Archer Reid 203cm KPF zachs brother ranked late first round, likely after our pick.
KPD O’Sullivan 198cm, Ollie Murphy 200cm,
Will MCabe 197cm - linked to hawks father son
We likely don’t want to spend our first on a Ruck or KPD and best KPF will be gone before our pick anyway. slim pickings unless we get Zac’s brother.
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I think Dodo has better luck at finding talls later in the draft guys like Carlise,Hooker,Zerk wernt taken in the top 20
Not really.
Luke Parker, Lachie Neale, Dane Swan, Zac Merrett, Chad Warner, Jordan Dawson, Rory Laird, Josh Dunkley, Jack Steele, Tim Kelly, Nat Fyfe etc come to mind for mids.
Yes of course the majority of star players were high draft picks, but the weighting towards KP players (forwards in particular) that are taken in the first round is disproportionate.
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There are also a lot more KPP Busts with high end picks
Kepler Bradley
Tom Williams
John Meesen
Beau Dowler
Scott Gumbeton
Lachie Hansen 151 games but compared to midfield picks around him Boak + Selwood inferior
Matthew Leunerberger same as above
Mitch Thorp
Jarrad Grant
lachie Henderson
John Butcher
Daniel Gorringe
matt Buntine
Billy longer
Paddy McCartin
Josh Schache
Fisher McCasey
Trend is definetly moved towards picking more midfielders in top 10, unless it is deemed as more of a talls weighted draft.
i.e 2020 - Ugle-hagan, Thilthorpe, McDonald, Grainger Barrass, Cox, Reid
maybe cox and Reid lucky to get in the top 10 also.
Last year only 1 tall taken - Cadman and he could midfield too so mobile.
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You didn’t include Nate Caddy who has every chance to be available at our pick if we continue to slide down the ladder.
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Hunter may be one of them.
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Nate Caddy (192cm) is one I want, but not really KPP height. more mid forward like Stringer (192cm).
If i picked him argument wouldn’t be to be picked as a key forward.
But a general forward, who can also perhaps move to the midifeld.
AFL Draft 2023: Rival clubs aren’t happy the league could allow North Melbourne to land top prospect Ryley Sanders for nothing
‘It would strike at the heart of the integrity of the competition’. Rival clubs aren’t happy with North possibly getting Ryley Sanders for nothing – and they are taking aim at the league.
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Clubs have vented their frustrations with the AFL over North Melbourne’s plot to pick-up outstanding draft prospect Ryley Sanders for nothing.
The Kangaroos are eyeing the jet midfielder as a pre-selection as part of the special assistance package from league headquarters to help boost the team out of the doldrums.
But the Kangaroos confirmed they would also focus on tall talent in this year’s draft, following the likely departure of Ben McKay to help bolster the back half with West Australian top-five prospect Daniel Curtin likely to come into calculations.
Clubs have registered their anger with league chiefs, adamant Sanders – who is considered a top-10 talent – should be available to all clubs in the first round of the national draft.
Sanders has a link to North Melbourne through its next generation academy as the star ballwinner has Indigenous heritage.
Under AFL rules, players such as Sanders can be taken by any club which selects them in the top-40, but the league may make Sanders off-limits to rival clubs as part of a free hit to North.
Ryley Sanders is a top-10 prospect in this year’s AFL Draft. Picture: Graham Denholm/AFL Photos
The suggestion has caused uproar among clubs who are adamant the move is over-the-top for a club which already has a handful of top-end young midfielders including George Wardlaw, Harry Sheezel, Will Phillips and Luke Davies-Uniacke.
“The integrity of the whole competition is at stake when you talk about a club getting one of the top-six players in the draft for nothing,” a recruiting manager said.
“Ryley Sanders was the best player at the national championships and should be available to all clubs if he is picked inside the top-40, as per the AFL rules.
“How can the AFL hand North Melbourne one of the country’s best underage prospects for free when it directly contravenes their own NGA rules?”
North Melbourne is also set to receive a free agency compensation pick for the departure of fullback McKay who the Herald Sun last month revealed was being targeted by Essendon.
But the league has assured clubs in the past 24 hours it would not fudge the compensation formula to deliver pick three to the Roos if McKay’s new salary did not meet the band one requirements.
The compensation is based on salary, age and length of new deal at his new club.
But the recruiter said the Sanders preselection suggestion had raised the ire of clubs across the competition, despite the Roos’ lowly position.
Brett Ratten and Alastair Clarkson’s men have won only 11 games in the past four seasons under former coaches David Noble and Rhyce Shaw.
Sanders could end up at North Melbourne for nothing. Picture: Morgan Hancock/AFL Photos
“Regardless of any other unrelated free agency compensation picks, it would be incredibly unfair on 17 other clubs if North were handed Sanders as a preselection,” the scout said.
“Clubs have spoken to the AFL about the reports, and it would strike at the heart of the integrity of the competition if they are given another star midfielder considering the talent already on the list and their upcoming picks this year.
“If there needs to be assistance, there are other ways to help, without interfering with the top few picks in the draft.
“Otherwise, we are basically going back to the days of the old priority pick system at the top of the order.
“Sanders is that good.
“The kid should be available to every club if he is picked inside the top-40, as per the league’s own rules. Otherwise, the AFL is making it up as they go along.”
Currently North Melbourne pick two and could be delivered pick three if McKay’s salary tops $800,000. A lesser salary of about $650,000 would net North end of first-round compensation.
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Along with Sanders, the club’s recruiting boss Brady Rawlings admitted the Roos were keen to bolster their key position stocks as well.
“We certainly need to look at that key defensive position,” Rawlings said on a club video.
“We are well aware we haven’t picked very tall over recent seasons.”
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lols as if the AFL will keep their word
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The jokes on North.
He’s going to leave them for Tassie when they come in.
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Oscar Allen was a second round pick. Nick Larkey was pick 72. Mihocek was a rookie pick. Darling was a second rounder.
If he is related to Josh - I wouldn’t want him anywhere near the club!