Brisbane have 27,34,42,43,49,60,66
Gold Coast have 39,41,51,61,70,76,78
albeit that information came from the internet… soooo who the hell really knows nowadays.
Right so i think that means those picks shuffle stay the same on the ashcroft bid(27 pulls them forward 1 then the match pushes them back).
But they will get pushed back 1 on Lombard?
So net points situation improves. Ie points value slides but compensated by matching 2 picks later than without bids on those two.
I find that confusing.
Would have thought you have the pick points value fixed with the picks you get.(they dont change being pushed back or forward)
There are a few intracacies with draft points to be mindful for.
Firstly, if the Brisbane and Gold Coast bids come ahead of Kako, it pushes the Kako bid back a 2 to 3 spots. So that’s a reduction in points already.
Then there’s the 10% saving on the points required for a Kako bid.
A good majority of Brisbane and Gold Coast picks get wiped out so if say the first 3 to 6 Brisbane picks get wiped out, then our 28, 31, 40, 46, 53 & 54 move up one spot (gaining extra points).
If the first 3 Gold Coast picks get wiped out, then those picks move up another spot (gaining extra points again).
Moving 28 & 31 up by 1 is worth 50 points on its own. That’s the difference between pick 11 and 12 (once the 10% reduction kicks in).
This is why holding on to picks 28 and 31 are important as long as Brisbane hold 27. Once they lose that pick, we may as well trade picks 28 and 31 because they won’t increase in value on any bid and will just get lost in the Kako bid.
Picks 53, 54 & 65 could move up by 9 spots once picks are removed. There could be a chance that they get rewarded with another pick somewhere to balance out the points they pay for bids, but that mean the later picks (53, 54 & 65) could get pushed back 1 spot.
So worst case, it’s moving up nine picks, then back 1 on each of those picks. Which is an extra 110~, 110~ and 105~ points in those picks than we had before the draft.
The amount of flexibility this gives us on draft day is very good. We can try and trade in front of a Kako bid (as long as we have enough surplus picks after the trade to take Kako with the very next pick), we can trade back to secure extra points for a Kako bid (we’d probably need to do this before Brisbane use their points to get maximum value in the trade) and we can trade back into the draft after the Kako bid is completed.
It is a far better play than standing pat and hoping a club wouldn’t bid on Kako early and take our first pick away from us. The risk was there (no matter how you wish to toss the variables around) and it’s been completely removed as an option and opened up many other options available to us.
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Read a recent article on Will Hoare from our VFL squad. Had a pretty dramatic rise from club footy to the VFL. Highly rated (by other clubs other than us it seems). Could be a diamond in the rough.
I see Hirdy wants him at Port if he doesn’t get selected by an AFL club.
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Dammit another club better not ■■■■■■ him I’ve been screaming for months that he would make a perfect Laverde replacement
Can’t read it.
This is all a bit new for Will Hoare.
Not long ago he was flat-out making Essendon’s VFL squad.
Now he has a string of clubs chasing him and getting itchy for his signature.
“See that kid over there?’’ a coach said at the VFL awards night, nodding towards Hoare at the Bombers table. “We’re trying to get him. He’s a gun.’’
AFL clubs are also interested in the 197cm defender; last week a recruiter dropped into his home to find out more about the young fellow producing the impressive football.
“It’s a nice change,’’ Hoare, 24, says of the attention, remembering his battle to get noticed, listed and then selected with the Bombers in 2022. He got one game, then four in 2023.
But this year he vaulted to another level, standing out with his contested and intercept marking. Essendon nominated him for the Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal as the league’s best Under 24 player, no surprise given coach Blake Caracella declared late in the season that Hoare “continued to be a dominant presence for us in defence’’.
“He’s rounded his game out really nicely and keeps improving week-to-week with starting our attack from the back half,’’ Caracella said.
The recognition has amplified his ambitions. Until this year Hoare had given no thought to playing in the AFL. He was surprised when player managers began calling him (in the end he went with Liam Pickering).
“I was just trying to play the highest level possible and I thought that was the VFL,’’ he says.
“When they (managers) started getting in touch, it made me think maybe I’m good enough to take it the next level. It sort of gave me a bit of belief.’’
Going back was the catalyst for taking Hoare’s football forward.
He joined the Bombers as a forward-ruckman from local club Pascoe Vale, but in 2023 then Essendon VFL coach Leigh Tudor decided to switch him to defence.
It has been the making of him. Playing 16 of a possible 18 games this year, he averaged 13.5 disposals, 6.6 marks and 4.3 rebounds. The two matches he missed came before the mid-season draft, when he was squeezed out of the side by AFL players, an unlucky selectorial break.
“This year was huge for me, a big development year. I feel like I’m only just scratching the surface,’’ Hoare says.
Will Hoare takes a clearing kick for the Bombers. Photo: Rob Lawson/AFL Photos
He gives credit to Essendon VFL assistant coach and former top AFL defender Michael Hurley, with whom he watched countless hours of vision.
Hoare sees him as a mentor. “Actually, he’s like a mate almost,’’ he says. “He just backs me in.’’
Ahead of the mid-season draft there was talk the Bombers would take their VFL defender. They did not and they’ve given him no indication since that he’s in their thoughts.
“I feel I deserve a chance but I’ll just keep putting my head down and backing myself,’’ Hoare says.
Tudor is now his coach at Pascoe Vale, which made the grand final in the Essendon District league this year, losing to Mick McGuane’s Keilor (McGuane calls him a “a really good intercept defender who reads the incoming ball well and impacts the air’’).
The experienced Tudor believes his charge belongs at the highest level.
He’s improved year on year, and this year was his real standout year,’’ he says.
Asked about Hoare’s draft prospects, Tudor notes that key defenders are thin on the ground.
“He’s now one of the more experienced key backs in the VFL and I think he’s proved himself at that level now.
“He’s a good one-on-one player, he’s a good intercept mark and he’s getting better at everything all the time. He’s got that great mindset that he keeps trying to get better, he takes on information, he speaks to the coaches. He’s a pro. He’ll thrive in an AFL environment. To what he is now, to what he can be in an AFL program, he’s only going to get so much better.’’
The recruiter who visited Hoare learned that he missed a lot of junior football after twice badly breaking his left arm.
He had won a league best and fairest medal as an onballer in Under 12s, but played only one game in 2014 and none in 2015 and ’16. When he returned, it was in the Under 17s, with a guard on his arm and 25cm taller.
He was a long way from the Calder Cannons talent pathway, but Hoare was runner-up in the league medal In his last season in the Under 19s, a good foundation for his step into senior football. Then Covid intervened, keeping him out for another full year.
It’s why Hoare says his development is way behind other VFL players his age.
“It’s two or three years later than everyone else, so I feel my footy is just about to step up to the next level,’’ he says.
After playing eight senior games for Pascoe Vale in the sawn-off season of 2021, Essendon invited him for pre-season training.
Will Hoare battling it out in the ruck against Keilor’s Andrew Browne in 2021. Picture: Hamish Blair
Opportunities were scarce in his first VFL season and ankle injury hindered his second.
But he persisted and the change of position this year brought confidence and continuity. Some outstanding performances too, particularly against Collingwood (19 possessions, 10 marks) and Port Melbourne, when he had 10 marks and 18 disposals. He rounded out his season with 12 grabs against Coburg. Unsurprisingly, Port Melbourne is one of the clubs chasing his signature, with James Hird setting out the welcome mat at North Port Oval. New Essendon VFL coach Dale Tapping, of course, is keen to keep him with the Dons. But it may be that an AFL club has the last say about where he plays next year.
“That would be awesome, just to get an opportunity and see if I’m up to it,’’ Hore, an electrician, says.
“With my development, I’ve been doing it part-time. To do it full-time, I feel like that could be really good for my game.’’
That would be something new for him too.
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Anyone heard anything about the clubs alleged interest in Jaxon Prior? It’s gone very quiet…
If we take Prior now we lose a pick in the draft that could be used for points.
If we are to pick up any delisted free-agent (Prior), it will either be late in the draft or through the SSP period if we have a list spot free.
Sit confident. Be tight
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So our first chance to trade back into the draft will probably come at Richmonds 10/11 assuming Saints bid on Kako.
Richmonds picks will become 13/14 after F/S and Academies.
I’ve just watched draft preview video that suggested we would trade back in using both our 2025 first rounds picks if a player like Smillie or Travaglia are available.
Surely this is overs right?
Theres absolutely no chance of us giving up both firsts for a pick in the teens.
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Who posted that video?
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If we were to give up one of the futures without something extra coming our way I would spew if we traded both I would drive to Melbourne and picket for the whole list management team to be fired
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It’s a nobody but I’m shocked it’s even a thought.
After the 21.30 mark.
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Thanks for the link.
It’s a weird thought to put out there.
I’m no draft expert but didn’t Smilie taper off second half of the year and there’s minor queries on him?
That’s why he has him as a slider.
I think he’s suggesting pick 10 (which will be 13) and something later for our two first rounders.
Pass.
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Iam sure they say that sort of nonsense to get Essendon fans to comment and therefore drive up their ratings
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Nope. Points for picks are constantly updated live for all as they move up/down.
Thanks for that, I love mature age football stories.
Hope he makes it as an AFL footballer. Will follow his career.
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