Cummins arguably did more in one test than Archer did in 3. Bethall should be in there, as should Neser
Actually, Iām being a little unfair.
We got them all out way more than they did, soā¦
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Bethell I can sort of understand , only played the two tests .
But the Archer one is a flat out joke. 9 wickets in three test matches at 27 is not at all great. Neser had 15 at 19.9 .
And really, Stokes is fortunate to be in there , was horrible with the bat and 15 wickets at 25 is also behind Neser. But I presume they ran the vote positionally and he was probably voted in against Green. But in that case, Smith and Root shouldnāt both be in the side.
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They had no problems sneaking Smith in out of position.
Just went back and edited the post with the primary role ( for batting lineup order) stats.
Fun fact - Ollie Pope had a better batting average than Ben Stokes in this series. So did Inglis, Jacks, Green, JSmith, Neser, Doggett, Weatherald, Duckett, Starc, Khawaja, and of course Webster doesnāt have an average 
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Oh look - more poms than aussies in the team. I guess morally they get the ashes after all.
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Iāve loved the pitches England has produced in the last 2 or 3 years. Yes, they are flattish, but of course overhead conditions affect pitches in England, however, there are nearly always results, especially, with the way teams play these days.
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But they still get results on these pitches and you donāt have two day tests.
Sure, but come onā¦
Itās not like they have to worry about their pitches being a dried out minefield, is it.
Iām not sure they could if they tried.
oH yOu lEfT tOo mUcH gRaSs oNā¦
You often get atmospheric conditions during parts of a test match which are conducive to swing and seam which allows you to prepare flatter pitches. Anyway, my eyes are on Perth which has presented two ordinary pitches in the last two summers.
Thatās reallyā¦avoiding the point.
Dried mud in twenty degrees is one thing.
Flat pitch, sure.
They get it wrong and thereās 1500 runs scored.
We get it wrong with 40 degree days and people get hurt.
Nope
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They got dicked 4-1 and have more Soap Dodgers in the team than Australians. LOL!
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At the end of the day two day test matches will sort themselves out as long as itās the batsmen playing stupid shots that get themselves out. Itās still a result driven sport so batsmen/coaches that fail will be dropped and teams will work out ways to win. MCG test shouldnāt have only lasted two days, dispite the extra grass on the wicket. What was considered a good pitch 20 years ago should still be what is considered a good pitch now.
More voted for root than head (ahem), and more voted for Archer than Bolandā¦
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Fraser MacGurk makes a glorious 17.
How he represented Australia is one of the greatest mysteries of all time. Miss Marple, Hercule Poirot, Encyclopaedia Brown and Sherlock Holmes together wouldnāt be able to solve itā¦
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How is Rizwan a paid international top order batter, looks as weak as a 10 year old
potential defeats ability. cricket aus have made this abundantly clear for some time now. keep up
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I still donāt trust Hawkeye. Reckon that was missing leg.
I find it mildly bewildering that spin now plays a larger part in T20 games than it does in the recent tests.