Before the image loaded, thought it would be a pic of Edwards.
I thought the same thing
From Tom Browne 7 News journo on Twitter:@TomBrowne7: Expect Hird to flag ‘baby bombers mark 2’ this week. @EssendonFC will up the anti playing kids, as they start an aggressive list review
@TomBrowne7: think @EssendonFC formulating 24 month list plan to return to competitiveness. Expect more to go in for surgery #afl @7NewsMelbourne
@TomBrowne7: think @EssendonFC formulating 24 month list plan to return to competitiveness. Expect more to go in for surgery #afl @7NewsMelbourne
Thank fark.
Can’t wait to see this.
I actually pasted the same tweet twice and forgot to post the third. I added it to my original post but Tom also said:
Tom Browne @TomBrowne7 2h2 hours ago
@EssendonFC also bracing for tough calls on some guys that haven’t developed - who were tied up in scandal . Club fiercely loyal to date
I’m deeply concerned how is will effect the VFL
2015 : The Test Kitchen.So many ingredients. So many permutations. So many games.
Bon Appetit Motherfarkers.
So what your suggesting is that we should have an experimental environment at the club?
@TomBrowne7: Expect Hird to flag 'baby bombers mark 2' this week. @EssendonFC will up the anti playing kids, as they start an aggressive list reviewOh, for a world in which communication specialists had basic English skills.
Though to be fair I did work out he didn’t mean we were going to bring in Fletcher, Chappy, Cooney, Winder…
looking back I thought 2006 draft was meant to be a shallow one like this years? I know we missed Selwood but tops 3 were Gibbs, Gumby and Hansen. Gibbs is ok not great for a number 1 and Hansen is solid. Why is it every time we have a really early pick the draft is considered weak?
2006 was meant to be a pretty strong draft I think. And it was, if you wanted talls. The very top end didn’t really come on but Riewoldt, Tippett, Goldstein, Frawley, Mackenzie, Hawkins, Westhoff, Jacobs, Nathan Brown, Schofield, Garland, Goldsack, Dawes all came out of that draft. That ranges from top line to merely serviceable, but it’s a lot of decent talls in one draft.
Club going to advise of a youth policy in a week, so tanking is the obvious solution.
looking back I thought 2006 draft was meant to be a shallow one like this years? I know we missed Selwood but tops 3 were Gibbs, Gumby and Hansen. Gibbs is ok not great for a number 1 and Hansen is solid. Why is it every time we have a really early pick the draft is considered weak?2006 was meant to be a pretty strong draft I think. And it was, if you wanted talls. The very top end didn’t really come on but Riewoldt, Tippett, Goldstein, Frawley, Mackenzie, Hawkins, Westhoff, Jacobs, Nathan Brown, Schofield, Garland, Goldsack, Dawes all came out of that draft. That ranges from top line to merely serviceable, but it’s a lot of decent talls in one draft.
Tks that is good quality KPPs listed there.
Play a young quick side. In Laverde, Delgleish and Ashby for Dempsey, Stein and Gwilt for a start. In Browne for NOB also and probably Edwards for Melksham.Like this, not sure why Hird would put a limit on the number of young players you can play…wouldn’t that be detrimental to developing a good culture in your young players. Besides Dalgleish, Browne, Ashby couldn’t do any worse than some of the senior players at the moment
Essendons gameplan is very susceptible to a team playing fast spreading style with overlap run. The teams playing this style especially are Collingwood, StKilda and Geelong. This is exactly how Collingwood beat us on Anzac Day. Beating us to the ball and spreading
I have yet to identify whether it is player effort or just that other sides are picking faster players on the flanks . But its certain that teams are out spreading us , and then if we get a turnover, they run back and man up against us very fast.
The gameplan and player selection currently is focused on skill above all else. This is a gameplan with Sheedy DNA in it. Sheeds was never concerned that much about speed, but more about skill and ruggedness. But now we find ourselves in the position where we cannot execute our skills under pressure, because once we gain possession, they close in on us very fast, and we are not rugged like the 1999/2000 team…
When Jobe and Heppell have played well, we have been able to mask this problem back to a 50/50 contest, but over the last couple of years , we have become over defensive, and delivery I50 has a lower rate of return than most other clubs , so we have to well and truly beat the opposition with clearances to kick a winning score. With Jobe down and out, this is not happening.
The game is moving on, its getting faster and well, Sheeds DNA doesnt work too well today. Apart from the KPPS most clubs are picking fast players at half back, on the wings and half forward flanks. We have them, like Dalgleish, even the forgotten man, Aylett but we are not picking them.
Its not just a matter of playing young players IMO they must be young and fast. So thats a Dalgleish, not an O Brien, Its an Edwards not a Kav. Its a McKenna not a Gwilt, its a Kommer.
The X factor is speed, but with adequate skill level. Get out in front, spread, and you dont have to execute the skill under pressure.
Thats what gets you into the 8 in 2015. To get into the top 4 you need 3 A grade inside mids and a dominant forward.
I thought this might have actually been a thread to talk about actual game plans; silly me.
However, if we are, what we tried against Collingwood on Anzac Day a few years ago is what I was thinking.
Basically we play a 6-7-5 (in soccer parlance) and flood the midfield with an extra forward, and sometimes even two. 6-8-4
Too often we lose clearances, and if there’s more of us around the ball, when the opposition do win the ball we have extra numbers there to stop them.
This probably means sucking the oppositions defenders up the field to come with them.
Then when we do get the ball, kick long to Daniher who should be one out.
Club going to advise of a youth policy in a week, so tanking is the obvious solution.We do not need to tank to tank. Tanks a lot.
Play a young quick side. In Laverde, Delgleish and Ashby for Dempsey, Stein and Gwilt for a start. In Browne for NOB also and probably Edwards for Melksham.Like this, not sure why Hird would put a limit on the number of young players you can play…wouldn’t that be detrimental to developing a good culture in your young players. Besides Dalgleish, Browne, Ashby couldn’t do any worse than some of the senior players at the moment
Essendons gameplan is very susceptible to a team playing fast spreading style with overlap run. The teams playing this style especially are Collingwood, StKilda and Geelong. This is exactly how Collingwood beat us on Anzac Day. Beating us to the ball and spreading
I have yet to identify whether it is player effort or just that other sides are picking faster players on the flanks . But its certain that teams are out spreading us , and then if we get a turnover, they run back and man up against us very fast.
The gameplan and player selection currently is focused on skill above all else. This is a gameplan with Sheedy DNA in it. Sheeds was never concerned that much about speed, but more about skill and ruggedness. But now we find ourselves in the position where we cannot execute our skills under pressure, because once we gain possession, they close in on us very fast, and we are not rugged like the 1999/2000 team…
When Jobe and Heppell have played well, we have been able to mask this problem back to a 50/50 contest, but over the last couple of years , we have become over defensive, and delivery I50 has a lower rate of return than most other clubs , so we have to well and truly beat the opposition with clearances to kick a winning score. With Jobe down and out, this is not happening.
The game is moving on, its getting faster and well, Sheeds DNA doesnt work too well today. Apart from the KPPS most clubs are picking fast players at half back, on the wings and half forward flanks. We have them, like Dalgleish, even the forgotten man, Aylett but we are not picking them.
Its not just a matter of playing young players IMO they must be young and fast. So thats a Dalgleish, not an O Brien, Its an Edwards not a Kav. Its a McKenna not a Gwilt, its a Kommer.
The X factor is speed, but with adequate skill level. Get out in front, spread, and you dont have to execute the skill under pressure.
Thats what gets you into the 8 in 2015. To get into the top 4 you need 3 A grade inside mids and a dominant forward.
Yeah i think that is all pretty spot on. The other factor of course is that our stoppage work has fallen away because we lost ryder and have steadfastly refused to pick a proper ruck division.
Of course we have known speed was our kryptonite for a while, norf elimination final 3rd quarter anyone, as you say though we were able to cover it up better.
Can someone point out a side that's susceptible to slow sides? Or susceptible to a side not smashing them at the contest?Play a young quick side. In Laverde, Delgleish and Ashby for Dempsey, Stein and Gwilt for a start. In Browne for NOB also and probably Edwards for Melksham.Like this, not sure why Hird would put a limit on the number of young players you can play…wouldn’t that be detrimental to developing a good culture in your young players. Besides Dalgleish, Browne, Ashby couldn’t do any worse than some of the senior players at the moment
Essendons gameplan is very susceptible to a team playing fast spreading style with overlap run. The teams playing this style especially are Collingwood, StKilda and Geelong. This is exactly how Collingwood beat us on Anzac Day. Beating us to the ball and spreading
I have yet to identify whether it is player effort or just that other sides are picking faster players on the flanks . But its certain that teams are out spreading us , and then if we get a turnover, they run back and man up against us very fast.
The gameplan and player selection currently is focused on skill above all else. This is a gameplan with Sheedy DNA in it. Sheeds was never concerned that much about speed, but more about skill and ruggedness. But now we find ourselves in the position where we cannot execute our skills under pressure, because once we gain possession, they close in on us very fast, and we are not rugged like the 1999/2000 team…
When Jobe and Heppell have played well, we have been able to mask this problem back to a 50/50 contest, but over the last couple of years , we have become over defensive, and delivery I50 has a lower rate of return than most other clubs , so we have to well and truly beat the opposition with clearances to kick a winning score. With Jobe down and out, this is not happening.
The game is moving on, its getting faster and well, Sheeds DNA doesnt work too well today. Apart from the KPPS most clubs are picking fast players at half back, on the wings and half forward flanks. We have them, like Dalgleish, even the forgotten man, Aylett but we are not picking them.
Its not just a matter of playing young players IMO they must be young and fast. So thats a Dalgleish, not an O Brien, Its an Edwards not a Kav. Its a McKenna not a Gwilt, its a Kommer.
The X factor is speed, but with adequate skill level. Get out in front, spread, and you dont have to execute the skill under pressure.
Thats what gets you into the 8 in 2015. To get into the top 4 you need 3 A grade inside mids and a dominant forward.
Yeah i think that is all pretty spot on. The other factor of course is that our stoppage work has fallen away because we lost ryder and have steadfastly refused to pick a proper ruck division.
Of course we have known speed was our kryptonite for a while, norf elimination final 3rd quarter anyone, as you say though we were able to cover it up better.
“Spread well, win the contest and work hard defensively” describes every effective game plan ever. We’re not doing 2 or 3 and we’ve never really done 1 all that well.
Even that Norf game was a hell of a lot more about them winning clearance upon clearance (it was something like 8-2 centre clearances in the 3rd - and I wouldn’t describe any of their mids bar Harvey as fast) rather than speed.
I thought this might have actually been a thread to talk about actual game plans; silly me.However, if we are, what we tried against Collingwood on Anzac Day a few years ago is what I was thinking.
Basically we play a 6-7-5 (in soccer parlance) and flood the midfield with an extra forward, and sometimes even two. 6-8-4
Too often we lose clearances, and if there’s more of us around the ball, when the opposition do win the ball we have extra numbers there to stop them.
This probably means sucking the oppositions defenders up the field to come with them.
Then when we do get the ball, kick long to Daniher who should be one out.
I was thinking that would work at centre bounces.
It’s a very good plan, but the players on the wings need to actively get to dangerous spots and be useful otherwise the defenders will just stay back. That’s been our biggest problem that we have numbers at the ball or in a contest but don’t make an impact. Ditto with our loose man against the Saints. Three times per quarter Hooker went back as loose man but didn’t impact any contests.
In the above instance, the opposition would sit two defenders behind the ball and see how we react. If the spares in the midfield are dominant, then defenders move and man up. If the defenders are dominant, then the midfielders need to move forward and man up the loose men.
Put simply, we fail to dominate a contest with additional numbers around the ball. I think we should just make it a one on one contest all around the ground and challenge players to follow their men wherever they go.They have to learn to work hard and win one on one contests.
yes norf certainly won some clearances but IIRC there first 2 or 3 goals game about from guys like atley streaming off back in waves. speed was a very clear issue int he richmond game for mine. we won our fair share of ball but we seemed to be able to get very little separation forward of the ball and that has been a problem all year. we slow down because we can’t identify good targets ahead of the play because they can’t separate. we haven’t really been able to out spread a side for a long long time which probably plays a big part in our poor entries inside 50.
The “plan” …
Be competitive (don’t look like you’re tanking)
Don’t win the next 9 games.
Finish second last (has Essendon ever finished bottom of the ladder?)
Play the kids and find out if they’re any ■■■■■■ good.
Place a marker that says, “this is what the club stands for”
MOAR TANKS
It kind of feels like the whole club had agreed we over estimated ourselves and now we go hard to "refresh" the list. I think this is the right decision and actually removes a lot of the pressure on hird. If everyone is on the page then there is no concern for short term results.I’m looking forward to going to the footy this week.
I don’t see it so much as an over estimation. I think we were legitimately able to challenge, but that window has now closed (for a multitude of reasons).