No, and I don’t think we’ll trade landlord either.
Na that’s horrible. Means we get cap relief in the short term when we don’t need it, but a big chunk of cap years down the line when you would hope we do need it.
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I think it’s what we’d have to do if we want to get as close to market value (pick wise) for a player like Parish right now.
The alternate approach would be we just want to balance/refresh the list. Essentially, the ONO approach. We stop trying to win trades, we take good enough for these types of players, and as a result we pay less salary.
I posted the below in another thread, but feel it has more relevance here.
To state we don’t have the cattle is half true. We have some good players, but we neither have depth or a high enough volume of top quality players.
Below is my personal opinion on how I’d rate our list as of 2024 - completely up for discussion
Rating -
S: Merrett
A: Caldwell, Parish, Shiel, Ridley, Durham, Martin,
B: McGrath, Draper, Langford, Setters, Lav, 2MP, Bryan, Stringer, Redman, Duursma, McKay
C: Tsatas, Hobbs, Gresh, Cox, Perkins, Goldy, Hind, Jones, Baldwin, Kelly, A.Davey, Guelfi,
D: Weideman, Reid, Wanganeen, Menzie
Too early to rate -
Hayes, Caddy, Lual, Roberts, Visentini, El-Hawli, J.Davey
Players that have hit their ceiling -
Merrett, Parish, Shiel, Langford, Laverde, 2MP, Stringer, Redman, Gresh, Goldy, Hind, Guelfi
Players out of form -
Ridley, McGrath, Langford, 2MP, Redman, McKay, Gresh, Cox, Perkins, Goldy, Kelly
Players that can’t get a game (team selection only, not incl injuries) -
Setters, Bryan, Tsatas, Hobbs
When I look at it from that point of view:
- We have multiple players in the B and C grade classification out of form
- We’re playing the players that have hit their ceiling and don’t consistently deliver
- We’re not investing enough AFL games into players that haven’t hit their ceiling
Just my quick two cents. Curious to get others thoughts on this and specifically, any reason why we shouldn’t rebuild, on the basis that we keep playing a team that’s shown its full capability, at the risk of losing the players that haven’t.
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I know it’s the way of the world these days, but I will never understand S-tier.
(Off to the things that make me feel old thread…)
I think you’re overrating this group.
Some promising guys who aren’t quite there yet, then Parish, Sheil and Ridley aren’t delivering A Grade output currently, despite doing so previously.
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Yeah that’s a fair comment. I think either way you look at it, the list of supposedly reliable players is proving to be unreliable.
Agree, Parish and Ridley are also out of form - arguably cause of recurring injuries.
Shiel has been in good form the last few games, albeit not superstar status by any means.
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HE would get a top 10 pick. HIS salary is not that high against the salary cap…
maybe, would you sign him on 4 years 700k with the calf issues he’s had this year for a top 10 pick after you could have tried to get him for free last year
LOL, based on? Who have we traded out?l or extraordinary delisting?
Flip the order of the payments. Other clubs would have more issues fitting a big contract in now, and we want to free up cap in the future, not now.
We have to trade out two significant players in a few weeks time. This is arguably the deepest draft for a decade, and the Top 30 is all as good as most drafts’ Top 10. We need another Top 10-15 pick and a early(ish) 2nd round. So who fits that ‘double bill’. I can think of Parish maybe worth a 13-18 pick so that takes care of that. Who would get us (on form, age and need across the league) a 24-29 pick? This is what is tripping me up. Shiel and Kelly would not. Would Perkins or Hobbs fit the mould? (I personally would keep Hobbs over Perkins). Could either of them command a late 20s pick? We really need 3 picks in the Top 30 this year, in such a good draft.
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Make it happen cap’n!
Personally I’d keep Perkins over Hobbs, only for different size and better kick. But I agree we need some more young talent, and gotta move some surplus from the midfield.
Llyod said it last night all well and good to get high draft picks but you need good leaders in the team to guide the youngsters if you dont then they become a waste becuase they have no one to look up to.
That’s the concern he has for Richmond
You need to have good leaders before you worry about losing good leaders!
We only have one in Merret
Yeah exactly!
Not on the leadership topic, but I was at the Hawks training today, and couldn’t help but be impressed and jealous of their list, and where they could be headed over the next few years under their coach. Really like Mitchell as a coach (despite never liking him as a character), the group is full of young talent, all enjoying their football. Some clever drills focussing on decision making, when and where to kick etc. He would change the complexity of some drills on the fly also, challenging the players to really think. Clean footskills were paramount throughout.
Go to an Essendon session and it feels quite different.
I’m sick of the players that can’t kick, and make bad decisions. I’d be happy to trade out any or all of Shiel, Parish, Hobbs, Laverde, McGrath. Bring in a few extra kids who can kick and continue to build from there.
Plenty of others in there, and of course then there’s Tsatas - but I view him as a project worth pursuing, and he seems to be tracking nicely. If he is the worst kick in an otherwise skillful team then we could still have something.
We need what they have in Ginnivan/Wizard/Breust also, which hopefully Kako will help out with, we need more though.
All the best teams have elite skills and decision makers, we need to cut the duds and obviously overhaul the gameplan.
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St. Kilda are interested in Shiel again, but he wants to stay with us. Parish is a ball magnet, but his disposal is suspect, and he is superfluous to requirements. He’d attract a lot of interest, and a high first round pick. He might be persuaded to go to the likes of Geelong.
Stringer and Longford get in each other’s way. There’d be more value in trading Longford for a GOOD KPF and letting Stringer work out another year.
We must make sure of Kako.
The unimaginative coaching regime and their ultra conservative team selection and perseverance with vanilla unskilled plodders will end up consigning Essendon to countless years of cellar dwelling. Bookmark it.
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Ffs get rid of him.
Won’t the remnants of this terrible trade ever end.
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