The mega gnashing of teeth, save the players etc

Understand everyone is upset but i don't see what sacking Hird achieves at the moment.

Let’s get the WADA ■■■■■ over, see what the list looks like at the end of the year and how we draft. I think we have promising young players, so i dont think it’s all doom and gloom.

Here’s the thing: the nature of the draft means that EVERY club has promising young players.

And all clubs ALWAYS have promising young players. (That’s what keeps rusted-on fans rusted on).

Unlike other clubs, we seem to have a knack of not developing promising young players into champion players.

You would never of thought at the start of the season the dogs lost thier coach and arguably best player/captain.
How they played today was unbelievable.
I expect these results now.
Wonder how long until hird gets the Knights treatmeant. Will little pull the trigger.

you know we are tanking right?

that would make him one funny sadistic ■■■■ then, considering he brought in 2 mainstay 22 players, a guy they went out and recruited specifically for his skill and all 3 have been in the side when you know they weren’t supposedly tanking.

unless you think slowly bringing back the players he deems his best 22 is tanking, what do you call it at the start of the season ?

and seriously what has tanking every achieved ?
i mean it’s not like the 2 clubs most people agree on that they believe did tank have gotten anything useful out of it so far, while also getting mocked for doing it in the first place, esp around here .and last time we vaguely did it we ended up with an injury prone forward who was kept around way beyond what he should have been due to his under 18 form, and who else exactly ?

The truth is that our club had a lot of holes in the list when Hird took over. It takes time to rebuild a footy club from the ground up and maybe they did try to take shortcuts (think supplement program).

Yes WADA is an issue that does affect performance as a whole but not a ‘cure all’ solution that should wipe away the lack of effort from some players. In other cases WADA has nothing to do with the fact that Steinberg has repeatedly shown he is not up to the grade. Repeatedly. Star at VFL level, not good enough for AFL. Ditto a couple of others.

Still believe Hird gets until the end of next year but if the same selection mistakes are made next year then he has to go. I’m not suggesting for one second that Edwards instead of Melksham wins us the game… but ffs how many chances does Jake get??? 95% of Melkshams games have been gifts… simply not good enough. So it was the fact that he didn’t have to earn his place that annoyed me. If we have noticed his ‘favoured’ status then there is no doubt that players will be thinking the same thing.

Again Giles comes in and is forced to solo ruck. Considering he will do damage up forward it is not ideal to make him knackered first. Just baffling that we continue to go into games short of a ruck. Baffling and the clearest sign that we just don’t have a clue, or we are tanking.

Stanton runs all day and gives 100%, unlike some, so I quite like him but boy he can butcher the ball. Counted at least four times he just missed an open forward. Just has to hit that lead on the chest so we can actually get some goals on turnover. Should now be in the peak of his powers… that means he needs to lead by example.

Was hard to watch the precision of the dogs, the speed of both running AND ball movement. We aren’t even close to being able to replicate that.

I don’t think we need to throw the baby out with the bath water but starting to look more like a long term rebuild than a West Coast style mini top up.

It’s like we’re a normal football club for us to ponder over such issues. We’re not.

CWe have a BOTTOM 4 LIST. Nobody wants to believe it but it is FACT.

What has been truly hopeless this season has been our weekly Team Selections.

We have a bottom four list, then unlike other teams play our bad players, and we’re (only as of this night) top of the bottom four.

What’s your point?

Always appreciate your posts DJR but could I have that question again in some vaguely understandable way please.

Is it reasonable to think some of the "dubious" selections are to provide those players the opportunity to show something before cuts.

No doubt at all.

We all know this seasons over. So I don't see why people are still getting worked up. Let's watch the kids and see what happens next year. Impressed with Laverde, but disappointed with Browne. Hope they still continue to play him till the end of the year .

Because we want honourable losses

This should be a poll

We are in such a tough spot right now.
We need to cull the list but the draft is shallow and we won’t really get the good young players we desire. We can trade for talent from other clubs but we are not exactly a preferred destination for potential players seeking a trade right now.
We could sack the coach but we do not have anyone waiting in the wings and there is no obvious choice in the market place right now. We are also not going to be in a great financial position to be paying out a coach when we have so many legal bills and the cost of the high performance centre as well.

I predict we will not make as many changes as we all hope because of bad timing and other circumstances. The following year I think we’ll see more of a cull if things do not improve.

CWe have a BOTTOM 4 LIST. Nobody wants to believe it but it is FACT.

What has been truly hopeless this season has been our weekly Team Selections.

We have a bottom four list, then unlike other teams play our bad players, and we’re (only as of this night) top of the bottom four.

What’s your point?

At least we are on top of something.

Will there be another honesty session this week?

To lose by nearly 200 points to two of last years bottom 4 sides is a ■■■■■■■ joke.

There we go, WADA!!

As soon as any point is raised that suggests a match up was bad or a selection was wrong, the defence is simply “iunno, WADA?”.

If WADA is playing such a HUGE role in why we are bad, then why is our coach bringing players affected by WADA straight back into the team ahead of young, developing players who need experience? Why not play the young guys and make it so WADA ISNT an excuse??

So sick of that being used to justify EVERYTHING that goes wrong. It’s either WADA or some ■■■■■■■ conspiracy that Caroline Wilson and the AFL are out to get us.

Crameri really looked weighed down by the WADA appeal today.


As did Ryder last week.
Hird was one of the all time great players

Is proving himself to be a very average coach

We as a club have accepted mediocrity for far too long. We need to start making the tough decisions. Both on the field and off the field

I very doubt anyone and I mean anyone, could do much better at the EFC. The way things are, we just have to ride it out and get this WADA/ASADA thing sorted. Then have a bit of a house clean, draft a couple of good midfielders insider/s and outsider/s, a good ruckman. First things first, play young players and observe, sift and sort the senior players, separate chaff from wheat, rest and relax and then get ready for a big tough pre-season. Lights out.

There’s an argument that says the club needs a clean slate from the chairman down.
All those associated with the saga should move on.
It’s not about aportioning blame on Hird.
It’s about helping players move on from the sh-t of the last 3 years.
Then again it’s hard to gauge what sort of coach Hird is given how hamstrung he’s been.
One thing that is worrying is how uncompetitive the team were today.
That’s pretty unacceptable.

You would never of thought at the start of the season the dogs lost thier coach and arguably best player/captain. How they played today was unbelievable. I expect these results now. Wonder how long until hird gets the Knights treatmeant. Will little pull the trigger.

How WE played today was unbelievable. We need another honesty session ASAP. And if we’re really being honest, it’s time to accept that we’re ■■■■. Where did the exciting, instinctive play from last week disappear to? Why do we keep kicking backwards and sideways? Why haven’t we learned that slow ball movement won’t allow us to kick a winning score? When are we going to win a ground level contest in our forward line? Why lament a lack of pace and spread after the game when we’ve dropped Edwards and relegated J Merrett to wearing the vest. Who is Jake Melksham rooting?

Hird was one of the all time great players

Is proving himself to be a very average coach

We as a club have accepted mediocrity for far too long. We need to start making the tough decisions. Both on the field and off the field

I very doubt anyone and I mean anyone, could do much better at the EFC. The way things are, we just have to ride it out and get this WADA/ASADA thing sorted. Then have a bit of a house clean, draft a couple of good midfielders insider/s and outsider/s, a good ruckman. First things first, play young players and observe, sift and sort the senior players, separate chaff from wheat, rest and relax and then get ready for a big tough pre-season. Lights out.

Thats farking bullsh@t.

We got show cause and then infraction notices last year that were never ever meant to happen and we dropped a game to Melbourne and farking got on with it.

The players knew what their role was and they looked good and were a goal or two from top 4.

we're still a chance for finals this year,

if 7 other clubs bring the afl in to disrepute.

You are r
we're still a chance for finals this year, if 7 other clubs bring the afl in to disrepute.
We will play finals in the reserves this year. Maybe that has got something to do with funny selections.
AFLDavid Zaharakis opens up about deflating Essendon drugs saga

August 1, 2015 8:00pm

WARWICK GREENHerald Sun

DAVID Zaharakis says it could be as simple as the act of buying bread at the milk bar, or a flat white at the local cafe, or even having a beer with some mates.

The opportunity for people to mention “the saga’’ to an Essendon player, and in doing so to inadvertently ramp up the level of angst that has had some Bombers not enjoying their football this season.

The 25-year-old, whose aversion to needles ensured he was not part of the club’s injection program in 2012, said every player at club lived with the controversy as a ubiquitous backdrop.

“I mean I’m not involved (in the ongoing WADA appeal) and I get people saying things all the time, even just when I’m walking down the street,’’ Zaharakis said.

“For the past two or three years we’ve had people constantly saying stuff to us about it. It’s this relentless theme in the back of your head.

“Even having your mates joke about it. To them it’s just a joke between mates, but to you it just adds to that three years of crap and stress. To them it might be the first time they’ve cracked a gag about it, but to you it’s the 10th time you’ve heard it that week.

“And it grinds away at you because it’s your career, it’s what you’re doing for a living. You want to be successful at football, but for the past three years you’ve had to play it knowing that something’s holding you back.

“We would probably never have gone a week without someone saying something to us, and when there’s a new development on the story you know you’re going to cop 10 or 20 reminders from people you don’t even know.

He said that even at home the players’ families lived with the supplements shadow, because relatives invariably found themselves being asked what was going on at Essendon.

Even though the club had regularly briefed parents about the situation “the families still struggle because they’re upset that it’s their son or their brother or their dad that’s going through this whole thing. That stress doesn’t just sit with the player, it sits with his whole family.’’

This year the burden has weighed particularly heavily on the Bombers, he said, because it began with the AFL’s anti-doping tribunal seeming to clear 34 past and present players of using banned substances in March. Six weeks later WADA announced it would appeal that judgment.

“After the guys got the first decision in their favour, you could see the energy, the excitement and the enthusiasm about being a normal football club again,’’ Zaharakis said.

“By that I mean that there wasn’t external issues to deal with, it was just about wins and losses and playing footy. And we were upbeat about how well we could play football together.

“But once you got pulled back off the mountain, it felt like one of those tipping points, where guys were thinking ‘you can only keep climbing that mountain so many times’.

“The moment the boys got told there was going to be an appeal, everyone was deflated. The air just went out of the group and for about 10 weeks in the middle of the season our performance just sat on a plateau.

“We didn’t really want to talk about, because we didn’t want to feel like we were using it as an excuse, but every time anyone mentioned the subject and you ignored it and pushed it down inside yourself, the pressure just kept building up.

“Whether it was subconsciously or not, it just kept building up inside and finally it bubbled to the surface on the day we played St Kilda.’’

Essendon coach James Hird addressing his players. Picture: Colleen Petch

That day was a 110-point loss a month ago in Round 14 in which, Zaharakis said, the Dons “hit rock bottom’’. The players and coaches gathered a couple of days later for a three-hour honesty session

“The players really opened up a lot,’’ he said. “The guys were a bit flat and it felt like everything was weighing the group down. A few just put their hand up and said it’s really been affecting me.

“After that everyone opened up, and there was this sense of relief that we could acknowledge that it was there and embrace it rather than hiding from it. The environment here at the club has been really good since that day.

“It released a lot of the tension and since then we’ve turned the corner a bit with our effort and performances, even though there have been a couple of games where we haven’t got over the line.’’

Zaharakis said it took that frank review for him and others to realise how much they had let the controversy seep in.

“I personally didn’t think it was affecting the playing group as much as it was, but in talking to some of the guys I now realise that it was,’’ he said. “Stress levels, anxiety, the uncertainty that came with it dragging out, of wanting to get to an end point but not knowing when that would be.

“I mean we’re talking about three years, and eventually it just takes its toll on you mentally and emotionally, because you in the back of your mind you don’t know what’s going to happen and it just affects your ability to concentrate on what you want to do, which is play football.’’

One player who was noticeable down on form was Essendon skipper Jobe Watson, who aggravated a shoulder injury in that St Kilda match, requiring season-ending surgery.

Zaharakis acknowledged that Waston shouldered a heavier load than most, and took great pleasure in seeing his skipper sipping on a beer last week during the third Ashes Test at Edgbaston.

“I guess Jobe has copped the whole lot, because he’s been the middle man between the players and the coaches and the admin in this whole thing,’’ he said.

“Just constantly going to meetings about it. He’s been the front man for the players and the face of it, so the pressure on him has been tenfold.

I can’t imagine how much time he’s spent over the past three years sitting in a room talking about the issue to the club or lawyers or the players’ association. He’s put that much time and effort into it and the toll that would take on you, I’m not surprised that he came out and said he wasn’t enjoying his footy.

“I don’t think you got any sense of that over the previous two years, but this year, yes, I’ve noticed it taking a big toll on him, and he hasn’t had his best year footy-wise, which is probably down to everything coming to the forefront.

“Hopefully the fact that he’s off overseas at the moment will make him miss footy a bit and come back next year in a different mind frame.’’

Zaharakis hopes that return will include the resumption of his captaincy role.

The one sanctuary for the Bombers players over the past three seasons has been to get on to the field and chase the Sherrin.

Only rarely during matches has there been anything to remind the players of the saga that swirls around them.

Opposition players have only said “the odd thing here and there on the field but it hasn’t been on a consistent basis. I can’t really recall any big sledges, well maybe one or two, but nothing too strong.

“You also get the odd player who’ll come up and tell you they feel sorry for you. And after games guys have been pretty good.’’

As dearly as the Essendon players would love to put the entire controversy behind them, though, there is unlikely to be any closure for them until WADA’s appeal is heard in the Court of Arbitration for Sport later this year.

Which just leaves the question: How does the Essendon playing group feel about the man who led them into this whole mess, sports scientist Stephen Dank?

“We haven’t even really spoken about him,’’ Zaharakis said. “Whenever we’ve spoken as a group about this topic it’s always been about ASADA or the players’ association or how the case is going. It’s never been about the individuals involved.

“Everyone got along with him OK when he was here and even now from what I’ve seen he stands pretty firm in his beliefs that everything was above board. So I mean you can only take a man at his word until he’s proven wrong.’’

All at Essendon will remain hopeful that Dank is not proven wrong.

there you go. you bring up constructive criticism pointing out how players aren’t positioning themselves correctly and constructively blame the whole thing on James Hird and some tool brings up ASADA .

There's an argument that says the club needs a clean slate from the chairman down. All those associated with the saga should move on. It's not about aportioning blame on Hird. It's about helping players move on from the sh-t of the last 3 years. Then again it's hard to gauge what sort of coach Hird is given how hamstrung he's been. One thing that is worrying is how uncompetitive the team were today. That's pretty unacceptable.

How many people are actually still there from the saga? Chairman, CEO, assistant coach x 2, football manager and others are all gone. Only ones left are Reid and Hird.

Is it at all possible that instead of the saga playing a factor it is actually that we are just crap? We aren’t exactly a top 4 team anyway but the problem we face is that we can’t clear out the deadwood because a) It would be seen as disloyal to the playing group who stuck by the club and b) No other club will pay the worth for them because they would fear suspensions from WADA.