I picked up at that moment that it was all for show.
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Geez come on - they just gave a pretty good excuse, libertyâs or not.
Essendon has a past players association that assists those on hard times. Imagine the Saints would have one also
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I donât know that itâs poor journalism, or there was no reason to discuss TFS segment, but I agree that it becomes a bit of a pile on and the discussion about it here (and with Ralphy) illuminates the lack of nuance when discussing things like this these days.
IMO, pretty hard to see exactly what TFS did wrong. They paid a bloke fairly for (presumably) 5 mins work. I canât imagine theyâd have any idea about Muirâs history (at least insofar as it drove his âmadnessâ and was relevant to this skit), and thereâs no conceivable way that they could have predicted the response to the - that Muirâs reputation would be irreparably sullied such that it effected his employment opportunities (if in fact thatâs what happened and how it happened).
As you said elsewhere - thereâd be nothing wrong with doing it with Barry Hall or any other footy âthug.â I donât see how this is different.
But the rest of the article⌠wowee⌠poor bloke. Great to see heâs getting some dough to help his body out.
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Neil Roberts. Best & Fairest
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Agree that thereâs no way they could have known at the time, and that bashing the Footy Show is in vogue.
Whatâs poor form though is Ralph doubling down on that point instead of, yâknow, listening to what the bloke has to say about it now.
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My old man knew (not close mates or anything, just knew him) Muir and remembers him as an angry bloke who âyouâd just steer clear of unless you were already on first name terms with himâ. Doesnât blame him because, âeveryone was an â â â â â â â to him, especially the police.â
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Itâs what happens when you have people in their first non retail job. Doubt the kid even cares about st kilda other than a pay cheque.
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Like I said to @Saucy , when I saw this back in the day I thought it was genuine. I accept thatâs partly on me. But it left me with the impression Muir was a violent uncontrolled whirlwind. Itâs not like TFS made clear afterwards it was a complete act, which Muir couldâve expected them to do (though he should have realised he was taking some risk with the media). If itâs true his pay went from $800 to $1,200 for being the village ogre, thatâs a paltry fee for the shame and drama TFS extracted from it.
I remember that Footy Show skit well because Iâve got that 100th episode special. I thought it was pretty funny at the time but when you hear the back story that changes your opinion. The whole article is very sadâŚ
Rhys Jones and Carman might not have been as desperate for cash.
And Jacksonâs article was so well crafted as a narrative, including where Muir made wrong decisions - it gives a chronological history of what went wrong and how/why, what it is to be indigenous in a society, violent abusive father to boot⌠It is also applicable to ethnic minorities of a different skin colour.
It does not give the footy show centre stage, itâs part of the narrative. If people choose to focus on that alone, it is leaving out the bits âŚ
About the best put down I remember at the footy was when some fark Carlton fans were racially abusing Long and Wanganeen - an Essendon person said âAt least some of ours are home grown forever.â
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Reports coming out now that Collingwood have issued an apology to Muir today. They are now examining their own history/culture with regard to the treatment of indigenous players. We will know how sincere they are if they address the issues raised by Hertier. If nothing is done, then it is a hollow gesture, Pies PR spin.
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They actually did say later that none of those âhighlightsâ had actually happened as people were saying that they did remember seeing those things.
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Just goes to show you how horrible people can be. Kids can be mean, but adults can be downright disgraceful.
Sadly itâs not just indigenous players from another era, itâs indigenous folks from all walks of life that have to carry this around too.
Hopefully people can just learn to be better human beings.
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I remember Hirdy talking about when Longy was being reported quite a bit. Maybe 1994? And Hirdy going âif you heard what people were saying to him you can see why he was getting reportedâ.
Obviously this is on a far greater scale with Muir, but Long took the stand and the game has improved since, but still has a long way to go.
Anyway this article reminded me of what Hird said about Long.
Itâs a very sad read but hopefully some good comes from it
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I donât understand Stkilda offering a public apology at this stage - I thought you meet the person face to face to give an apology and then later with the permission of the offended party you issue a public apology.
Late 80s Longy got reported a fair bit.
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Donât recall ever seeing Michael Long king-hit anyone though; Muirâs highlight reel would have more than few hits from behind.
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Neither do I. But I remember him squaring up a number of times and dishing out the odd left hook.
Muir was before my time so I canât comment on that except to say from the footage Iâve seen he packed a decent punch.
Yep he did.
I remember a game at Moorabbin in 19975 or 1976, when he was running down the wing and gave Gary Parkes a punch behind his ear. Parkes went down, but jumped up and chased Muir along the wing with both of them throwing punches at each other, with blood streaming down Parkes neck. Neither got reported but for the rest of the match they were looking for each other.