Smashing Pumpkins didn’t really give any nod to hardcore or post-hardcore though, more like grunge, yeah?
That’s an actual thing?
When I think emo i think the early 2000s white make up, big black fringe bands, my chemical romance, red jumpsuit apparatus, AFI, Hawthorne Heights. Kinda post hardcore/pop punk with a certain look
Maybe.
But I’m not buying it. If the two guys from the two bands that they (whoever they are) hang their hat on as the originators of a genre. If those two guys literally say it’s the dumbest thing they ever heard. Kind of feels like it’s some retrospective bullshit.
I think it’s a massive leap to go from post hardcore to some long fringed wimpy kid who uses a hair straightener and with eyeliner on and see that there is any correlation.
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You’re farked
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I thought emo was just punk with tunes.
Yep and the so called Revolution Summer of 1984.
It was those DC bands wanting to shift away from the confines of Hardcore, a shift away from macho posturing, violence and skinheads. The involved more melody, longer songs. This is sort of the roots of Emo.
These labels are often but not always applied years after the fact. Nobody in 1980 was referring to Joy Division or Mission of Burma as Post Punk. There may have been an inkling of this with Emo as it was rumoured someone yelled it at a Rites of Spring show, may have been a clumsy descriptor to differentiate between what they were doing in 84 and after, compared to their previous bands but I have heard Ian MacKaye say that those bands we no more or less emotional than all the Hardcore stuff they’d done years prior.
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That you’re a tight ■■■■ who should have donated to avoid ads and - well, here’s something to help loosen things?
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Emo The Musical is a cracking movie.
And I got Jesus Would Have Been An Emo from it through on DJK.
Just.
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No way to whimsical in music writing to be grunge, so EMO
Ok to me they are EMO just because of the 1979 song and probably the only one I listen to lately
I think it’s just cos bands that came after, like Moss Icon or something, would get the tag and say their influence came from those DC bands. It flows on and on and dilutes.
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Yeah, there became a sound, bands started sounding like indie but with screamy loud bits and noodly guitars and it came from that area. Jimmy Eat World weren’t from the Midwest but were grouped in with that sound in the late 90s.
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Always thought it very unfair that a perfectly fine melodic alt.rock band like Jimmy Eat World got the “emo” tag thrown at them.
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I’ll give that a watch when I get my pesky kids in bed.
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I’ve got Little Miss B down, Mrs B’s in Sydney and I’m about to get into the Woodstock 99 doco…
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Maybe when makeup started being applied and kids started taking cues to from goth, emo transitioned to something else, something not good at all. Being raw and emotive became overly-forced moody outcast fashion nonsense.
You’re going to say I’m very silly, but a bit of that sounded like speeded up Church/Triffids to me.
So Punk became EMO and I missed it